Posted by Droon

It is horrible that I always have to clean up the verbal mess caused by those embittered, pseudo-selfironic OGs who think they're floating in higher spheres. That was not my intention when I registered for those forums and frankly I'll have to retire my account if there is no light at the end of the tunnel very soon. I will try to put two major points into a very simple scheme.

1)
A method to figure out a 'best' sparrer does not exist.
Reason: The quality of a player is represented by a mixture of performance and result. A spar win cannot be respected if it is achieved in a spar that falls below a certain quality. The quality of a spar depends on factors such as lag, delay, the players' shape, the way they spar and more. Every player has a different interpretation of which factors out of those that I listed are valid. (The same argumentation, expanded by several more factors, obviously counts for the GST too.)

2)
Events of that nature are meaningless in general.
Reason: Events like the GST (and the hypothetical SST) are being introduced to Graal to make players keep track to it. You need to understand that it is not the case, like many seem to believe, that events of that nature are the only thing that keeps Graal worth playing. In reality, it is the opposite. Remind yourselves that Spar is nothing more than a 'PK game', a special situation with - in theory - two players fighting each other under exact same circumstances. The spirit of fighting, the thought of training hard to become the player who is MOST LIKELY to win ANY spar, that is the fuel for every true sparrer. Everybody who cries for events and rewards is a wannabe-analyst who does not understand how valuable the institution 'Spar' is.

That is just the status quo, not even an accusation. I want to help all of you who represent this kind of belief and make you understand that prize-based events like that do not only not make Graal better, they make it worse.

Conclusion:
Spar is the essence of Graal and holy because it is a pure 1vs1 situation. Graal having an official 'best sparrer' would ruin everything because EVERY win in any spar from that point would be referred and compared to that player.

Quit being so worried about losing this tournament and people not thinking of you as the best sparrer, most people already don’t.  

Posted by Droon

It is horrible that I always have to clean up the verbal mess caused by those embittered, pseudo-selfironic OGs who think they're floating in higher spheres.

I can assure you, I'm certain that I'm in a higher sphere, I don't just simply think so.  

Posted by Jimbo

You are an idiot


The room must be big because your mom is here too

DaYUMMMMM  

Posted by TeK

Quit being so worried about losing this tournament and people not thinking of you as the best sparrer, most people already don’t.

Who are you to talk, what kind of loser brags about winning 3rd
Shut your mouth and dont post anymore  

Posted by Jimbo

Who are you to talk, what kind of loser brags about winning 3rd
Shut your mouth and dont post anymore

Better a 3rd placement than struggling to place every season with a team of vpn gods  

spar community is scary  

Why do you need a tourney to determine the best sparrer? There's already a perfectly good leaderboard system in place for that.  

Posted by ShivGraal

Why do you need a tourney to determine the best sparrer? There's already a perfectly good leaderboard system in place for that.

The leader board just represents the most active sparer on the game, even if there was a single spar tournament I wouldn't say the winner will be 'the best sparer'. I'm pretty sure you wont have the same winner for all the tournaments (If it happened regularly). It would be nice to have such a tournament but I guess staff members has other priorities to do for the mean time.  

Would be fun, don't think anyone is the 'best' right now, probably wouldn't see anyone win more than once or twice consecutively. Don't see it happening any time soon, even though it wouldn't take too much effort at all. 2-3 hours once a month or every 3 month's should be beyond feasible.  

Posted by Saeed

The leader board just represents the most active sparer on the game, even if there was a single spar tournament I wouldn't say the winner will be 'the best sparer'. I'm pretty sure you wont have the same winner for all the tournaments (If it happened regularly). It would be nice to have such a tournament but I guess staff members has other priorities to do for the mean time.

I'd have to agree but also disagree, The leaderboard does show the most active sparrer, however in the same way it also shows they are likely the best at that given season.

The reason I say this is because simply they gained the most experience, they are the most sharp knife in the drawer. If you fought against a strong sparrer every day, you'll probably get better after a while, you will progress a bit if you are truly willing to accept a challenge and its outcome even if you lose.

But same time experience only can go so far. The General person themself can play a a role in just how they think and how they are able to deal with different situations and different kinds of sparrers.

It's kind of like if Sparrer A could beat Sparrer B with a pretty high chance, But Sparrer B can beat Sparrer C with a high chance, but Sparrer C can beat Sparrer A with a high chance.

So who is "Better" Sparrer A, or B, Or C?  

Posted by Rusix

I'd have to agree but also disagree, The leaderboard does show the most active sparrer, however in the same way it also shows they are likely the best at that given season.

The reason I say this is because simply they gained the most experience, they are the most sharp knife in the drawer. If you fought against a strong sparrer every day, you'll probably get better after a while, you will progress a bit if you are truly willing to accept a challenge and its outcome even if you lose.

But same time experience only can go so far. The General person themself can play a a role in just how they think and how they are able to deal with different situations and different kinds of sparrers.

It's kind of like if Sparrer A could beat Sparrer B with a pretty high chance, But Sparrer B can beat Sparrer C with a high chance, but Sparrer C can beat Sparrer A with a high chance.

So who is "Better" Sparrer A, or B, Or C?

Let me give a tangible example as to why that logic is flawed.

Thallen or Sarah. They've barely, if at all, sparred this season. Nowhere to be found on the leaderboard. You're telling me that someone like "predador luo" (rank 9 seasonal) is likely to beat them.

Experience, especially within one season alone, will never play that large of a factor relative to the intangible "skill" someone has at the game.  

Rusix how did u manage to live without graalians for last 5 years? were u in AllGraal with Antago?  

Posted by Saeed

The leader board just represents the most active sparer on the game, even if there was a single spar tournament I wouldn't say the winner will be 'the best sparer'. I'm pretty sure you wont have the same winner for all the tournaments (If it happened regularly). It would be nice to have such a tournament but I guess staff members has other priorities to do for the mean time.

If they aren't the best then explain how they get the gold trophy????  

Posted by ShivGraal

If they aren't the best then explain how they get the gold trophy????

Okay let's say the best sparer didn't play enough this season to get himself in the leaderboard, does that make the #1 player in the leaderbaord better than him because he is more active? The gold trophy means they done the best this season. Just because no one else bothered to spar or was busy in other factors of the game or maybe even inactive, this doesn't mean they are worse than the people ranked in the leader board.  

Posted by Fulgore

Let me give a tangible example as to why that logic is flawed.

Thallen or Sarah. They've barely, if at all, sparred this season. Nowhere to be found on the leaderboard. You're telling me that someone like "predador luo" (rank 9 seasonal) is likely to beat them.

Experience, especially within one season alone, will never play that large of a factor relative to the intangible "skill" someone has at the game.

No, As I said, The quality of experience also matters.
Thallen and Sarah have a higher amount of quality experience, They go to take that leap to spar people who can be a challenge, And not worry about spar score as. Priority. And also as I said the person itself.

If a SST happened right now I'd be willing to bet Alexx would win.because he not only is the most experienced this season but also has higher quality experience.

And if your asking what I mean by quality, Just think of it like this.

Who is going to be better.

Someone who sparred at Balamb 10K times versus someone who sparred in arena 1000 times? One clearly has the better quality experience.

Posted by Zetectic

Rusix how did u manage to live without graalians for last 5 years? were u in AllGraal with Antago?

I just didn't have much want to join the forum. People in game filled my time