Old rating was fine if deviation was just removed tbh.  

you're forgetting the extremely annoying part where you fall behind for the whole season if you stop sparring for a week, and people don't even know how this thing works. really dumb imo how you can get 1000 points on this garbage from sparring brett 11 times and then you have to spar 100 people to get the same amount when he isn't sparring. i guess to have "skill" on this you have to learn how to control your life to the point where you log on at all times when brett is sparring. the best sparrer in the game could spar brett for 5 minutes for a certain amount of points and then take 2 hours to get the same amount of points against everybody else. wins leaderboard: way more balanced and would actually show whos doing better overall by winning the most spars, rather than who got lucky and sparred brett a few times. this one doesn't even accomplish its goal of showing skill.  

Not going to bother suggesting details, but like the concept of a tier system, since I think most people who spar mentally divide people into tiers. Beating someone from a higher tier could give you more positive positive points and vise versa to keep it more skill based. And you could have something in your profile saying your current tier, so you could say you were an SS tier sparrer or whatever and feel all badass.

From the perspective of someone who barely plays and might play more if sparring (or events system) was improved, neither the old boards or the new boards made want me to spar. With the old board, I'd spar a day, get in the top fifteen or so, and then not have to do anything to stay there. With the new boards, I have absolutely zero chance of ever appearing as it requires constant activity.  

#ALLHAILTHEBEAUTIFULQUEENSARAH_

Posted by GOAT

The spar community has always been filled with obsessive tryhard haters that are quick to raise questions about other players especially when they beat them. Rarely can one sparer give another sparer credit for skills unless they're friends. That will never change.

I've said it before, no system will determine skill(at least on iclassic), so just stop trying to associate point systems with skills.


The only way to determine if someone is skilled or more skilled that you(no one in particular) is by fighting them and making your own decision(applies to active fighters because the only ones that use the current spar system to determine skills are newbies).


Look at the underrated thread, obviously the people that are being mentioned there need to have some sort of skill since people mentioned them without them no lifing it to get/stay at the top of the board.  

Posted by GOAT

I've said it before, no system will determine skill(at least on iclassic), so just stop trying to associate point systems with skills.


The only way to determine if someone is skilled or more skilled that you(no one in particular) is by fighting them and making your own decision(applies to active fighters because the only ones that use the current spar system to determine skills are newbies).

I agree with this. I also think that the current PK leaderboard shows "skills" since for me skills in PK<=>fast kills, there's really not much skills involved in PKing anyway...
In spar also, skills <=> winning consistently and knowing how everyone spars. If you're going to say no skills is showed by the movement well what's the point of doing movements if you keep losing? If someone has both then this goes back to my defenition. The only leaderboard that kind of showed that is the old one since you have to win consistently to be high up but people would hoard points on it.
For the person who suggested a seasonal one instead of an overall one, we will be having the same problem as now, the main goal would be to get high on the seasonal one and those who didn't spar from the start can't. An all time one is way better if we are going to have spar hats, also it will encourage people to actually spar more and win to get on this leaderboard.  

the whole idea of a seasonal leaderboard is really dumb imo and i don't understand how this garbage leaderboard even became a thing.  

I'd just prefer a leaderboard for all time that shows W/L/D  

what's d?  

Posted by Comyt

what's d?

draw?  

counting ties on a leaderboard would be super weird considering they have never done that and everybody would start with zero  

Why not implement the old system but have a daily, weekly, seasonally and all time leaderboads if everyone loves the current system so much.
Would make everyone happy.  

Posted by Kuz

I'd just prefer a leaderboard for all time that shows W/L/D

1/ I don't think that delayers will even have 1 tie and you know that... Something that has long needed to be fixed but nobody has done anything. I'm not going to defend something because I get advantage out of it.
2/ for the w/l one, the win leaderboard is basically a daily one..
And the losses page will be occupied by noobs lol imagine a group of new sparrers that keep sparring everyday, they will all be on it and probably losses can get a range of 3k-1k by season?? if the 100th person has 1k losses, you won't see the active sparrers' losses on it and I suppose the purpose of it is to see how many losses the active sparrers are getting. Personally I don't get 1k losses per season.
And if you decide to put w-l on the same page, it's impossible.

This is not an arguable thing, the PK and BK leaderboard work just fine so why not implement it to sparring? Every spar leaderboard we've had had flaws.  

Posted by Sarah_

1/ I don't think that delayers will even have 1 tie and you know that... Something that has long needed to be fixed but nobody has done anything. I'm not going to defend something because I get advantage out of it.
2/ for the w/l one, the win leaderboard is basically a daily one..
And the losses page will be occupied by noobs lol imagine a group of new sparrers that keep sparring everyday, they will all be on it and probably losses can get a range of 3k-1k by season?? if the 100th person has 1k losses, you won't see the active sparrers' losses on it and I suppose the purpose of it is to see how many losses the active sparrers are getting. Personally I don't get 1k losses per season.
And if you decide to put w-l on the same page, it's impossible.

This is not an arguable thing, the PK and BK leaderboard work just fine so why not implement it to sparring? Every spar leaderboard we've had had flaws.

No I meant a spar leaderboard which shows how many spars people have + Their win/loss and draws all on one screen and not in different windows. Can allow you to compare who's been active a lot today and see their ratios and stuff.  

Posted by Kuz

No I meant a spar leaderboard which shows how many spars people have + Their win/loss and draws all on one screen and not in different windows. Can allow you to compare who's been active a lot today and see their ratios and stuff.

But the leaderboard is going to be seasonal, you just converted the rating system with wins ,we still have the same problem people can't get high up anytime of the season. Ties one is completely useless, I delay and I rarely tie the ties. Imo best thing is the D/W/all time leaderboard to have the wins amount followed by the losses you got and not a w/l/t on same page.  

I can't even warp my brain around some of these posts because they make zero sense to me, but I'm going to try my best.

If I'm reading correctly, the main arguing point here is this: "I don't like the current leaderboard because some people get a ton of points and then I can't catch up to them halfway into the season."
Okay, and the solution that I'm seeing most often: "We should change the leaderboard from points to wins."

?????????????????????????????

So basically, the exact same thing as the current leaderboard, except we no longer take into account the skill level of your opponent, but instead give you one point per every player you beat?

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
So your genius fix to the leaderboard is changing this:

pointsWon = (opponentsRatio * 10)

To this:

pointsWon = 1

So basically, remove any measure of skill from the leaderboard entirely, and just turn it into a "how many people I killed in spar leaderboard"? Can anyone explain to me what problem(s) this allegedly fixes? Are you guys trolling?