Change the leaderboard again. The old leaderboard had a few flaws and could be abused. The current leaderboard is even worse and was intended to "increase sparring activity" but that is the opposite of what it is doing. This leaderboard ranks people based on how much they spar for the entire season and pretty much forces someone to throw away a huge chunk of their life to get their name to the top. Nobody wants to do this. Sparring should be a thing you do for fun when you are bored, not something you do as a full-time job. Sarah, who is the current #1 on this leaderboard and has been for the past year or so, does not even like this leaderboard. And I, the #1 on the previous leaderboard for multiple years, do not like that one. We need a wins per day/week/all time leaderboard, just like there is for player killing and baddy killing (which is useless by the way, why do they have a decent leaderboard and sparrers do not?). This would probably accomplish the goal that the current leaderboard came nowhere near accomplishing, and increase overall activity. Instead of throwing away their life for a whole 3 months to get to the top, sparrers can now throw away their life for just a day or a week to get their name on the leaderboard. Also, with this leaderboard, people would start setting goals for themselves, like "I'm going to get 500 wins today" or "I'm going to get 5,000 wins this week" and compete with their peers for the top spot of the day/week. This, instead of "I'm going to get 1,000 points today and still be 30,000 points behind Sarah with my name nowhere near the top of the leaderboard." If this is added, it can also get rid of the ugly iDevice/Facebook split on the leaderboard, since one can't really make the argument "this person is only winning more spars than me because they're on their pc."  

Posted by Comyt

And I, the #1 on the previous leaderboard for multiple years, do not like that one.

The leaderboard was changed because people like you and your friends would constantly abuse a glitch to reset your rating deviation so that you could easily get points then camp at #1, let's just put that out there...

Posted by Comyt

We need a wins per day/week/all time leaderboard, just like there is for player killing and baddy killing (which is useless by the way, why do they have a decent leaderboard and sparrers do not?).

This is literally what you are saying right now:
"The current leaderboard is bad because you gain points equal to the ratio of the sparrer you beat, which means that it encourages players to spar actively. It makes more sense to have a wins leaderboard."

I don't think you realize how contradictory that sounds. Basically, you're just lobbying for an all-times spar wins leaderboard because you want something you can sit on without ever having to work for. To say that flat out wins is a better formula than weighting wins based on the ratio of the opponent you beat = obvious conflict in interest.

I'd actually love a spar leaderboard that is a 100% reflection of skill. I was probably #1 on the Mixed board 95% of the time I actively played before I suggested the new one. I've been #1 on the new one for a total of probably 20 days or something? I still prefer the new one because it punishes alternate accounts and encourages activity and less "careful" sparring. I'm not really interested in going back to a leaderboard where people can abuse a glitch and just sit at #1, that's dumb.

If we were ever supposed to go back to the old leaderboard:

• Fix the rating glitch
• Make the inactivity penalty way more frequent/severe
• Only allow sparring in the Mixed or iDevice room to affect leaderboards

 

Hated both boards. I'd agree with a similar board to the pk leaderboards. No one has the time to spar for 12k+ points every season, its absurd especially for someone who starts late in a season, you wont catch up.  

^ Agree, but it's the same argument @ the default leaderboard being an all-time wins leaderboard. That'd literally be the same exact thing as the current leaderboard, except 0 reflection at all towards the skill of the players you were sparring.

When I suggested the new leaderboard, I asked for there to be a daily/weekly/seasonal points board, with the daily leaderboard being the default one. It's dumb that the default board is a seasonal one, because it's pretty much set in stone after the first month.

The old leaderboard + fixing the rating glitch + more severe inactivity penalty to discourage camping + only winning points in Mixed/iDevice room = good IMO
It will still come at the consequence of people sparring more carefully to protect their precious points though, which is dumb to me but whatever, can't be perfect.  

Posted by Thallen

The leaderboard was changed because people like you and your friends would constantly abuse a glitch to reset your rating deviation so that you could easily get points then camp at #1, let's just put that out there...


This is literally what you are saying right now:
"The current leaderboard is bad because you gain points equal to the ratio of the sparrer you beat, which means that it encourages players to spar actively. It makes more sense to have a wins leaderboard."

I don't think you realize how contradictory that sounds. Basically, you're just lobbying for an all-times spar wins leaderboard because you want something you can sit on without ever having to work for. To say that flat out wins is a better formula than weighting wins based on the ratio of the opponent you beat = obvious conflict in interest.

1. I will forever deny this. You and I both know that I was the top iDevice sparrer in the whole game at the time and with this, I could easily climb the old leaderboard without abusing it. I just knew how to abuse it, told Tae to show him how dumb the leaderboard was, and then he became obsessed with it and went crazy.

2. Your awful leaderboard and a wins leaderboard are not the same thing. You are not encouraging people to spar actively. The other day your enemy Demrow had a status saying that he refuses to climb this ladder because of how dumb the system is. Is this encouraging sparring or scaring people away?

If you checked your awful leaderboard last week, you would have seen that I was #1 and putting up the most impressive pace on it so far (100k+ points if I kept it up). But I was throwing away a large portion of my life just to do this, and don't want to abandon my life to spar all day long. With your awful leaderboard, the only people encouraged to spar actively are those who are looking to throw away a significant portion of their life for three straight months to sit on the top. Forget about taking a vacation during the summer guys, Thallen wants us to spar every single day and earn that top spot. With a wins per day/week leaderboard, people would ACTUALLY spar actively to try to get to the top in these short periods of time, and take breaks whenever they wanted to. With your awful leaderboard, there is no such thing as a week of rest, we must put our full effort into sparring at all times or we will lose our chances. Don't know why you are so ignorant to anything that isn't your own idea. This is way better than your awful leaderboard when it comes to accomplishing the goal of getting more people to spar actively. We would have more people sparring every day to try to reach the top, instead of everyone just watching Sarah spar.  

For a game that's obsessed with its own history I think this is a good idea(mainly because I've been saying this since I started asking for a spar leader board in the first place-that's right boys I was one of the first to ask for a sparer leader-board when they only had the 20k win post in the arena) People that spent enough time to get 30k+ plus wins should have a spot on the all-time list.


Don't buy into the old mans bs about skills. Between the crappy hosting server and all the cheaters in-game, sparring has come down to connections.  

Also, don't understand why you are so against an all-time wins leaderboard. There is really no reason for this besides "Wow I hate that Comyt guy I don't want him to be in the top 5 of anything." If we wasted that much time sparring to get 70k wins, 60k wins, 50k wins or whatever, why not let it be shown to everyone? Will the curious noob question "I wonder who has the most wins on Graal" forever be unanswered because Thallen doesn't want anyone to see Comyt on a leaderboard!?!?!  

I support any leaderboard that rewards the best players while also encouraging activity in sparring. The old leaderboard was awful because of glitch abuse and camping. The new leaderboard is bad because it is seasonal. It needed to be daily/weekly/seasonal.

Making the spar leaderboard an all-time wins leaderboard achieves neither. It does not reflect any measure of skill and it does not encourage activity. It does the opposite. It discourages people from sparring actively because they know they will never have a chance at passing Shan or Sarah, and it does not reward the best players because beating a great sparrer is effectively the exact same as beating a complete noob.  

So every game in the world with an all time leaderboard for anything should not exist, because people can't catch up? These players who have wasted all of their time getting that huge amount deserve nothing! You spent thousands of hours working at something, nobody cares! You have too many wins and are scaring people away! Is that really how it works? Do you even see what you are typing?

Making your awful leaderboard daily and weekly won't do anything either. Hell, most of the people sparring don't even understand how that thing works. And you're saying that it will somehow convince sparrers to spar people with good records to get to the top? No, not really. Half of these people don't even care about their skill and your leaderboard only has a few people grinding it out. The majority of people spar to increase their wins and improve their ratios, they will continue "side-rooming" forever. Give people a wins leaderboard and then the people will finally have a leaderboard to put in work towards and noobs will be attracted to the arena to get their name up on something that actually makes sense to them. Keep this leaderboard and sparring will stay in the same awful state it is in right now.

Posted by Thallen

Making the spar leaderboard an all-time wins leaderboard achieves neither. It does not reflect any measure of skill

What??? Let's see here:
Me, Kevin91, Sarah, Shan, Vlad. There is your top five all-time wins. No skill represented here all of these players might suck.  

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Using my 1500post on something i hate lol but..
I think having it just show how many spars youve won each day/week/alltime would be good
..or to even go more into that maybe have it like every win you get +1on ldrbd and every time you lose you get -1 on ldrbd? maybe just an idea.  

I actually kinda like the current system. I can see who boost off of noobs or nah. but old system wasn't bad too. it shows whos the real boss.

Posted by G Fatal

..or to even go more into that maybe have it like every win you get +1on ldrbd and every time you lose you get -1 on ldrbd? maybe just an idea.

^ support! if we can queue spar from the menu and face a randomly selected opponent.

Building upon this idea...

Make the ladder system aside from normal sparring (it was used in a game called Pop Tag)
if you win +1, you lose -1, draw is 0. if you get +60 you move on to the next division.
if you are -29 you get demoted or if you are in the lowest division it will just remain as -29.
When you advance in the ladder system, your score will go back to zero. That means you will at least have 29 or more chances before you get demoted.
if you are on the top division, everyday you will 3 points will be deducted from your score (to keep you active).
if you quit playing ladder at right below the top division, your points will remain there forever.

In the Pop Tag it was little more complicated, if you win you receive 4k coins, if you lose you lose 2k coins.
So more better you are, quick ez money you will get. + makes you take the game more serious.
You can choose not to play the ladder system. It won't impact your gameplay what-so-ever.
the point of ladder system is to promote the worthy players to fight someone at their level.

So ex) comyt assuming u easily make it to the division 5, you will most likely play against top tier sparrers, cause u are in the top division.
If you don't wanna face hard guys all day, you can just go to Battle Arena and face the normal ones.

If this system gets implemented in Graal. It shouldn't count towards ur spar stat.
It shouldn't have too many divisions like Pop Tag (pop tag had over 300k+ daily user & 10 divisions).
Queue is locked if you have an unstable connection. Queue is only available from the menu, players should be warned.
You receive 100 gralats when you win, lose 50 gralats when you lost. If you get +60 you get a small badge next to your name.
You will be proud of this badge, bc it's going to be very hard to be earned. almost impossible to boost with this system.

thx u fatal, u just reminded me this whole concept back lol  

That is a pretty cool idea, though it probably would never get added. I'd still like to see a wins leaderboard.

We should have both:

-Wins per day/week/all time leaderboard to promote active sparring and show the players with the most wins in the game's history, as they deserve it for all of their effort.

-Something like that division system, not counting towards wins or losses, for those to see the "higher skilled" players.

Because let's face it, nothing is going to get more people in the battle arena besides the long-overdue wins leaderboard.  

Posted by Comyt

That is a pretty cool idea, though it probably would never get added.

I believe in FP4, Dusty, Imprint, Rufus & almighty colin for this project.  

Posted by Zetectic

I actually kinda like the current system. I can see who boost off of noobs or nah. but old system wasn't bad too. it shows whos the real boss.



^ support! if we can queue spar from the menu and face a randomly selected opponent.

Building upon this idea...

Make the ladder system aside from normal sparring (it was used in a game called Pop Tag)
if you win +1, you lose -1, draw is 0. if you get +60 you move on to the next division.
if you are -29 you get demoted or if you are in the lowest division it will just remain as -29.
if you are on the top division, everyday you will 3 points will be deducted from your score (to keep you active).
if you quit playing ladder at right below the top division, your points will remain there forever.

In the Pop Tag it was little more complicated, if you win you receive 4k coins, if you lose you lose 2k coins.
So more better you are, quick ez money you will get. + makes you take the game more serious.
You can choose not to play the ladder system. It won't impact your gameplay what-so-ever.
the point of ladder system is to promote the worthy players to fight someone at their level.

So ex) comyt assuming u easily make it to the division 5, you will most likely play against top tier sparrers, cause u are in the top division.
If you don't wanna face hard guys all day, you can just go to Battle Arena and face the normal ones.

If this system gets implemented in Graal. It shouldn't count towards ur spar stat.
It shouldn't have too many divisions like Pop Tag (pop tag had over 300k+ daily user & 10 divisions).
Queue is locked if you have an unstable connection. Queue is only available from the menu, players should be warned.
You receive 100 gralats when you win, lose 50 gralats when you lost. If you get +60 you get a small badge next to your name.
You will be proud of this badge, bc it's going to be very hard to be earned. almost impossible to boost with this system.

thx u fatal, u just reminded me this whole concept back lol

I would love this so much. Maybe a reward every month for being in top tier?