I don't think Donald Trump's a racist. And honestly, it's sad to say, but true, that the media/some comminities have 'cried racist' far too many times that they undermined the legit problem in society today. Hell yea there's still racists, there always will be, but it's hard to take people seriously when they call someone a racist now that every time a white cop shoots a black guy, they "cry racist." As for Donald Trump, he just has an ego the size of Texas and thinks less of everyone else, no matter their race, religion, gender, etc. I also find it sad that some of his legit statements causes people to take offense and believe he's a racist, such as him wanting to temporarily ban Muslims from entering America. That's a good idea, since the government can't get their crap together and do their damn job to protect the country or set up policies to vet refugees, rather than allowing any refugee in the country. Society is mostly ignorant and believes anything they hear in that one moment. They want all the refugees to come to America, but when you ask them about that and relate the refugee terrorist attacks in Europe, they would say no to all refugees. Like I said, the media and some communities have 'cried racist' far too many times to believe them anymore, which truly is sad, because when there is a legitimate racial issue, it just gets bogged down by all the other fake racial issues. And anyone who doesn't think Donald Trump lies a lot is fooling themselves. I don't get it though. You think it's a big deal that Trump lies becausw you disagree with what Trump stands for, yet no one mentions how much other politicans (especially those running for President in both parties right now) lie. They lie as much, if not, more, than Trump does. Trump's lies are pertaining to his ego, though. Politicans' lies pertain to their record and beliefs. That's a core reason why Trump is winning the Republican primary.  

Don't see what's wrong with deporting the illegal immigrants back to where they came from.  

Posted by Bryan*

Don't see what's wrong with deporting the illegal immigrants back to where they came from.

I also don't get why people criticize Trump's plan for building the wall and making Mexico pay for it. Well, I know why. It's because they aren't educated with the topic. Trump's plans are honestly great, and he's willing to say & do what he truly believes, rather than being politically correct.  

Posted by Bryan*

Don't see what's wrong with deporting the illegal immigrants back to where they came from.

Because it's not practical? There's no way you could trial the amount of illegal immigrants in the US.

Posted by PigParty

I also don't get why people criticize Trump's plan for building the wall and making Mexico pay for it. Well, I know why. It's because they aren't educated with the topic. Trump's plans are honestly great, and he's willing to say & do what he truly believes, rather than being politically correct.

Are you educated on the topic? Nearly 50 percent of illegal immigrants are just those who overstayed their visas, (I've cited this in a previous post on this thread) so the absolute best a wall is going to do is damper it, but not to mention the negative effects it would have to agriculture and wildlife. It's not worth the amount of money and time it would take.

We have fences. What difference is a wall? A little higher I guess?

Making Mexico angry at us isn't really the best idea either. You can't get them to pay for the wall, and even if you could that could potentially **** up a lot of trade goods we get from them.  

Posted by Yog

Because it's not practical? There's no way you could trial the amount of illegal immigrants in the US.



Are you educated on the topic? Nearly 50 percent of illegal immigrants are just those who overstayed their visas, (I've cited this in a previous post on this thread) so the absolute best a wall is going to do is damper it, but not to mention the negative effects it would have to agriculture and wildlife. It's not worth the amount of money and time it would take.

We have fences. What difference is a wall? A little higher I guess?

Making Mexico angry at us isn't really the best idea either. You can't get them to pay for the wall, and even if you could that could potentially **** up a lot of trade goods we get from them.

Yes, I'm educated, lol. No one ever said we could deport all immigrants, or even close to all, but it's naive to do nothing because of the excuse that you can't fix it completely. The wall wouldn't cover the entire border either, so there would be land without a wall. America already gets killed by trade. It's humorous that people don't want to do anything because of fear that other countries will get mad. America has the upper hand, yet doesn't use it. Many countries take advantage of America already, it doesn't matter if they get mad, but America's economy is what is important. American leaders have had your exact thought process that there will be backlash, so do nothing. It obviously hasn't been working. You can't please everyone, so we shouldn't try to just lay low. America needs to take charge of their own economy and trade deals with other countries.  

Posted by PigParty

Yes, I'm educated, lol. No one ever said we could deport all immigrants, or even close to all, but it's naive to do nothing because of the excuse that you can't fix it completely. The wall wouldn't cover the entire border either, so there would be land without a wall. America already gets killed by trade. It's humorous that people don't want to do anything because of fear that other countries will get mad. America has the upper hand, yet doesn't use it. Many countries take advantage of America already, it doesn't matter if they get mad, but America's economy is what is important. American leaders have had your exact thought process that there will be backlash, so do nothing. It obviously hasn't been working. You can't please everyone, so we shouldn't try to just lay low. America needs to take charge of their own economy and trade deals with other countries.

So what you're saying is we threaten them to pay billions of dollars for something they don't even want, and then threaten them to continue to trade goods with us even though there is a wall separating us from them?

At the part where you said the wall wouldn't cover everywhere. What's the point of the wall then?  

Posted by Yog

So what you're saying is we threaten them to pay billions of dollars for something they don't even want, and then threaten them to continue to trade goods with us even though there is a wall separating us from them?

At the part where you said the wall wouldn't cover everywhere. What's the point of the wall then?

It has nothing to do with threatening them. Trump himself has said they probably won't directly pay for the wall, and we could make them pay indirectly through tariffs, and much more. He has some ideas on his website if you wanna read it. Most recent one I heard was cutting off wiring money from America to Mexico that many people send to their families in Mexico. We already have a border patrol, what does better security (that being a wall) do to change anything? We already have a figurative wall between us and Mexico, and between us and Canada. Every country has it, and some have an actual wall themselves.

As for the wall not covering everywhere, the terrain wouldn't require a wall in certain areas because the terrain itself acts as a wall.

There's quite a few articles from news media like CNN that cover in detail Trump's idea for immigration/the wall.  

Posted by PigParty

Most recent one I heard was cutting off wiring money from America to Mexico that many people send to their families in Mexico.

Ya this looks like an extremely peaceful way to **** over those staying in the US legally.

Posted by PigParty

We already have a border patrol, what does better security (that being a wall) do to change anything? We already have a figurative wall between us and Mexico, and between us and Canada. Every country has it, and some have an actual wall themselves.

Because it's hazardous to agriculture and wildlife. It's been argued that it poses a threat to specific endangered species.

But I mean, the Berlin Wall turned out great now.  

Posted by Yog

Ya this looks like an extremely peaceful way to **** over those staying in the US legally.



Because it's hazardous to agriculture and wildlife. It's been argued that it poses a threat to specific endangered species.

But I mean, the Berlin Wall turned out great now.

There's no point in even arguing if you're the kind of person who expects there to be a magic solution that's perfect for everyone. You can't possibly believe there's a good solution to a problem as big and complicated as this.

You're pushing my research abilities here. I'm trying to find reputable sources for articles I've previously read, and I've found some. I'm not posting all I've found. I do a fair amount of research, and I look at all sides of a situation so I can come up with my own conclusion. I recommend you (and everyone) do the same, even if you disagree. As for the Berlin Wall statement... you know that is completely different. The Berlin Wall was meant to force people against their will to keep them inside. Many countries have physical walls protecting their borders, and it's just a way to better enforce their border patrol to keep the right people going in & out. I saw a story from Anderson Cooper about how walls don't help the immigration problems much because if immigrants want through, they'll find a way. I completely believe that, but I haven't heard anything about how well a wall is against smuggling (drugs and humans). I'd like to believe that while a wall may not help as much as we'd like with immigrants, it would make it harder to smuggle things in. Also, as for the money transfers, here's a good article for you to read.

http://toprightnews.com/mexico-recei...egals-in-2013/

This is also good:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lies-home.html

Once you read this, you'll see that even other countries are or are attempting to/cotemplating controlling the amount of money transferred out of the country.

I'm also very passionate towards wildlife & animals. There's things that could be done in certain areas at the border, such as setting up posts there instead of having a wall cutting off wildlife in that section. I don't know what wildlife specifically are endangered, but some wildlife should be fine since they could still cross certain terrain where the wall isn't built.  

Posted by Yog

So what you're saying is we threaten them to pay billions of dollars for something they don't even want

I digest: reminds me of forcing taxpayers to pay for everyone else's college, healthcare, etc

Here's my two sense: the wall is completely useless, see ladders, tunnels, ropes, etc.

I feel like I sound as if I have a ship on my shoulder.  

Posted by PigParty

There's no point in even arguing if you're the kind of person who expects there to be a magic solution that's perfect for everyone. You can't possibly believe there's a good solution to a problem as big and complicated as this.

You're pushing my research abilities here. I'm trying to find reputable sources for articles I've previously read, and I've found some. I'm not posting all I've found. I do a fair amount of research, and I look at all sides of a situation so I can come up with my own conclusion. I recommend you (and everyone) do the same, even if you disagree. As for the Berlin Wall statement... you know that is completely different. The Berlin Wall was meant to force people against their will to keep them inside. Many countries have physical walls protecting their borders, and it's just a way to better enforce their border patrol to keep the right people going in & out. I saw a story from Anderson Cooper about how walls don't help the immigration problems much because if immigrants want through, they'll find a way. I completely believe that, but I haven't heard anything about how well a wall is against smuggling (drugs and humans). I'd like to believe that while a wall may not help as much as we'd like with immigrants, it would make it harder to smuggle things in. Also, as for the money transfers, here's a good article for you to read.

http://toprightnews.com/mexico-recei...egals-in-2013/

This is also good:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lies-home.html

Once you read this, you'll see that even other countries are or are attempting to/cotemplating controlling the amount of money transferred out of the country.

I'm also very passionate towards wildlife & animals. There's things that could be done in certain areas at the border, such as setting up posts there instead of having a wall cutting off wildlife in that section. I don't know what wildlife specifically are endangered, but some wildlife should be fine since they could still cross certain terrain where the wall isn't built.

But building a wall isn't going to stop that money from going. Like I said, almost half of illegal immigrants just overstayed their visa. Building a wall and cutting money off from Mexico isn't going to get rid of illegal immigrants. The fence has proven that.  

Majority fear mass deportation but are okay with millions entering the US undocumented or "illegally". I wouldn't mind if they deport the ones with violent crimes on their record, basically illegal criminals that flood into our soil.  

Posted by Bryan*

Majority fear mass deportation but are okay with millions entering the US undocumented or "illegally". I wouldn't mind if they deport the ones with violent crimes on their record, basically illegal criminals that flood into our soil.

Oh yeah of course. If an illegal immigrant commits a crime they should be deported. That's a no brainer. But going around collecting Illegal Immigrants isn't a practical thing to do.  

Posted by Yog

Oh yeah of course. If an illegal immigrant commits a crime they should be deported. That's a no brainer. But going around collecting Illegal Immigrants isn't a practical thing to do.

again, i digest: illegal immigrants are here illegally, isn't that a crime?

i know what u mean tho so its all good, i agree with u 2

pls acknowledge me  

Why is trump's hair so weird?