11-21-2017
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The old, pink bear.
Join Date: Apr 2017
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Have played Graal for five years, dude. Never once have heard anything regarding the legitimacy of the Viewer. If the owner of a brand would let a third-party website persist for this length of time, (making its way into the hierarchy of community knowledge, and performing a heavy-lifting service) it goes without saying that it should perform efficiently and never risk defacing the brand. But obviously it doesn't, and if I were Graal owners, I'd put effort into stamping it out with an official product ASAP. Doesn't that make sense? I didn't come here to have a battle of word-punchies. I came here to warn against use of the Viewer, and report my discoveries. It personally does me no good other than to hope that my doing so could save a fellow artist a bit of pain-in-the-ass, (as I wish that someone would've done for me). If it does, then it'll have been worth it.
Last edited by Whippy; 11-22-2017 at 05:40 PM.
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11-21-2017
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Also, I have never said that the graalviewer is not legit or has issues with legitimacy so idk where you got that from? It’s safe to use but all I’m saying is that it’s not made by graal and therefor you should have no expectations of it working perfectly if at all. Your whole statement is making it look like you think a gfx website that exists for a few years and gets used by a lot of players magically becomes an official asset of GraalOnline which is simply not how things work. The only reason there’s a discussion going on is because I made a witty statement pointing out the obvious and you decided to get defensive with a sarcastic attitude. I never criticised the fact that you’re doing something good by warning people in itself yet you seem to have taken it that way. |
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11-22-2017
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i wish i could be u bro |
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11-22-2017
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11-22-2017
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The old, pink bear.
Join Date: Apr 2017
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It exists due to necessity. It's obviously a very vital tool. I've visited the site many times over the years, and had personally regarded it in high standards. Due to its reputation and allowance to exist among the community (as I had previously said in no certain terms) at the forefront, then I'd expect it to operate sufficiently enough so that the Graal owners could confidently sit back and continue to allow a third party to fill this much-needed void.
You're right. That is an obvious statement, and in my book, merits nothing but a sarcastic reply... for example: If I had done something really stupid, and one of my buddies came up and pointed out just how stupid I was for doing it, then I'd elbow them in the rib and start off "DURR HURR NO $#!% MATE REALLY?!" lol xD..... My reply was meant in that regard with no ill-intent... I've just retired as a 10-year on-road guitarist, and during that time, I'd developed the habit of being completely explicit with everyone I came across, so you'll have to excuse my informality. Aside from that, I'm too old to become defensive over something so trivial. These days, you'd basically have to physically assault my mother before I get huffy ʕ-ᴥ – ʔ Again, I was here to display this memo: Do not trust the Graal Viewer. Plain and simple. If you're reading this comment and, like Eugeen, have already disregarded the viewer- if you already consider it common knowledge that this application is faulty- then I apologize for your time spent here. ʕ; •`ᴥ•´ʔ And with that, I have nothing left to say, and find no reason to spend any more time discussing it, cool? I've only ever come to the forums to talk extreme shop. I thought this case was worthy enough for me to drag my butt back here one last time (especially because I've seen no word on it during my five years of Graal). Peace dudes.
Last edited by Whippy; 11-22-2017 at 02:56 PM.
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11-22-2017
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Join Date: Nov 2012
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It doesn't matter if people use it a lot or not, it's simply not official if it has no direct ties with GraalOnline or its creators and has not been endorsed as being an official part of their franchise. The way you make it seem is that you think fansites count as an official part of the game they made their site about just because a lot of people visit it which is simply not how it works |
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11-22-2017
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The old, pink bear.
Join Date: Apr 2017
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Eugeen... one last time, man. Read what I've said. Not once did I imply the consideration of these third party sites being officially labeled as first-party properties. I said "treated" as such. In a nutshell, I'm basically calling the Graal owners "lazy" for not publishing an official Viewer of their own, considering the popularity of this broken app... but that's my vibe, so who cares? Personally, it doesn't even matter. This past year, I promised two of my buddies custom work. Once I've worked through my own dilemmas, there's nothing left for me to worry about. I strictly came to make fellow artists aware of my discoveries, in hopes of saving a bit of unnecessary community headache in the future... yet all that's been discussed here is nothing but a colossal waste of time and space. Thanks, hosler. The primary post is the only one worth reading. Peace |
11-24-2017
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The old, pink bear.
Join Date: Apr 2017
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You've got to be kidding me, man. I do use GIMP. Who hasn't? Yes, GIMP has a GIF/Animation display, but it obviously doesn't give you the proper x, y coordinates for Graal head, body alignment. Even the official head/body templates do not come with this info, because they exist only as separate entities. Aside from this, it takes a bit of effort in setting up an animation vs just popping the images in the Viewer. The only method for a player to extract proper alignment, would be to demo Noob head + body in-game, take screenshots of every single frame that makes up a template (80+ basic frames, not including special actions/animations i.e. dances, guns), import all of it into a program, align the head and body templates to the screenshot, and finally GFX over the aligned frames. GIMP (or whatever graphics program you desire) is only an instrument, and has only a fraction of relevance to the heart of the subject. Side note... why kids always use a winky face when they think they're being smart? |