Potential Loss of Developing

Distorted_P2P · 09-22-2016

Honestly there's not many developers anymore. Like at all. The ones that haven't quit are either working for the iServers, or the very few playerworlds. Basically the reason there's absolutely no real playerworlds in the making. (other than Maloria)

It's probably due to the fact that most of Graal's large playerbase right now isn't really concerned with developing, as they probably never make it to the Graal forums or any of the web features.

And I know in their website description on the app page (lmfao) they have graalonline.com linked/listed? Buuuuuuuuut it doesn't really work.
https://gyazo.com/5b241de135e1697e7467dee6d11348e2.gif (Unsupported image host)

And there's no real listing of it in game that I can remember. I'm pretty sure there has been in the past.

I mean I personally can't really think of much other than putting it in the FAQ house though. Or in the starting area.

I do feel like the whole of Graal should be introduced more frequently to the newer players though so we can all enjoy Graal in a whole.

Dusty · 09-22-2016

Well there's also the out-of-date and downright broken development tools...

Downsider · 09-22-2016

Posted by Dusty

Well there's also the out-of-date and downright broken development tools...

kiss me dusty

Thallen · 09-22-2016

"potential" as if the Graal boom wasn't back when random ass playerworlds like Doomsday, XOne, Rudora, Faheria, and others existed
when servers like Cynical could launch with a fully-developed overworld and questline and just disappear within 3 months without it being a big deal

Elk · 09-22-2016

from what i experience, nothing much has changed, there are many indevelopment servers right now, but my perception of whos gonna make it somewhere has far changed (objectively speaking)

people have become way too critical and judgemental over the past decade (generally speaking)

the overwhelming amount of games flooding the market makes them struggle to decide what to invest time into without being at loss

the pros to cons of developing with the graal engine arnt really that convincing to me to invest nearly as much time as id like to to stay longtime motivated

Perseus · 09-22-2016

Posted by Downsider

kiss me dusty

A wild "Coco" appears and uses "MLG" to one-shot Downsider,

Sardon · 09-22-2016

90% of classic players have no clue what a playerworld is and if they have they probally don't even know how to acess servers off of the list.
It should be advertised and updated as alot of tools are outdated, client still says you need to pay for a gold subscription which confuses newer players.

As for servers many aren't given much motivation to keep on going as client is dead and the chances of going to mobile are 1 in a million plus there is the fact that it takes forever to get approved for such things.
I would blame the death of unholy nations and zodiac for the current state of client as they were the most popular servers and we are now at a huge loss of players.

developers attempt to work on newer servers nowadyas but they never last that long
in general its just management issues and the lack of care given to pc client.

Distorted_P2P · 09-22-2016

Posted by Thallen

"potential" as if the Graal boom wasn't back when random ass playerworlds like Doomsday, XOne, Rudora, Faheria, and others existed
when servers like Cynical could launch with a fully-developed overworld and questline and just disappear within 3 months without it being a big deal

pretty much everyone other than you and your little iClassic clique will still agree it was better back then, would you shut your client-hating mouth for once?
jesus christ this 30 year old will not hop off me tho loweky

Posted by Dusty

Well there's also the out-of-date and downright broken development tools...

yeah but this is a whole new problem, sadly

Dusty · 09-22-2016

Posted by Distorted_P2P

yeah but this is a whole new problem, sadly

Not really. Is it a new problem? Sure, but even if they could find their way to development they'd be introduced to all the problems that already existed. Outdated tools, or in some cases no tools at all since W10 is breaking stuff. Poor documentation. Little existing development pool for support. No easily accessible way to actually develop to current standards since you need to pay for a server to do that.

There's a lot wrong, and while Graal has no influx of new developers even if it did they'd encounter problems that imo need to be fixed before trying to get people interested in development.

Distorted_P2P · 09-22-2016

Posted by Dusty

Not really. Is it a new problem? Sure, but even if they could find their way to development they'd be introduced to all the problems that already existed. Outdated tools, or in some cases no tools at all since W10 is breaking stuff. Poor documentation. Little existing development pool for support. No easily accessible way to actually develop to current standards since you need to pay for a server to do that.

There's a lot wrong, and while Graal has no influx of new developers even if it did they'd encounter problems that imo need to be fixed before trying to get people interested in development.

that's why I said it was a new problem, I totally agree with you

Sardon · 09-22-2016

Supporting graal developments needs to be priority or else graal will eventualy be forced to pay devs if they want to keep their iclassic alive.

Twinny · 09-22-2016

Posted by Sardon

Supporting graal developments needs to be priority or else graal will eventualy be forced to pay devs if they want to keep their iclassic alive.

I'd probably come back if I got paid a decent amount :p

Eugeen · 09-22-2016

The problem is is that you won't get anywhere from developing on graal except if you do it for fun or learning purposes.
But even then you're better off learning a language like java instead

BEH0LD iTz SAM · 09-23-2016

Because most of the developers we had have grown older and have no interest in working for free anymore and the majority of the new player base from the ios servers are young and have no interest in trying to learn to script/ don't even know about playerworlds.

If the appstore had some kind of basic functional testbed server with ios development tools it may appeal to iserver players more to give it ago, which may result in more aspiring developers.

Bram- · 09-23-2016

Posted by Sardon

90% of classic players have no clue what a playerworld is and if they have they probally don't even know how to acess servers off of the list.
It should be advertised and updated as alot of tools are outdated, client still says you need to pay for a gold subscription which confuses newer players.

As for servers many aren't given much motivation to keep on going as client is dead and the chances of going to mobile are 1 in a million plus there is the fact that it takes forever to get approved for such things.
I would blame the death of unholy nations and zodiac for the current state of client as they were the most popular servers and we are now at a huge loss of players.

developers attempt to work on newer servers nowadyas but they never last that long
in general its just management issues and the lack of care given to pc client.

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Distorted_P2P Banned Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,555	Potential Loss of Developing Honestly there's not many developers anymore. Like at all. The ones that haven't quit are either working for the iServers, or the very few playerworlds. Basically the reason there's absolutely no real playerworlds in the making. (other than Maloria) It's probably due to the fact that most of Graal's large playerbase right now isn't really concerned with developing, as they probably never make it to the Graal forums or any of the web features. And I know in their website description on the app page (lmfao) they have graalonline.com linked/listed? Buuuuuuuuut it doesn't really work. https://gyazo.com/5b241de135e1697e7467dee6d11348e2.gif (Unsupported image host) And there's no real listing of it in game that I can remember. I'm pretty sure there has been in the past. I mean I personally can't really think of much other than putting it in the FAQ house though. Or in the starting area. I do feel like the whole of Graal should be introduced more frequently to the newer players though so we can all enjoy Graal in a whole. Last edited by Distorted_P2P; 09-22-2016 at 05:06 AM.

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Dusty Should be fixed. Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,359	Well there's also the out-of-date and downright broken development tools...

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	"potential" as if the Graal boom wasn't back when random ass playerworlds like Doomsday, XOne, Rudora, Faheria, and others existed when servers like Cynical could launch with a fully-developed overworld and questline and just disappear within 3 months without it being a big deal

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Elk Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Land of Music Posts: 1,232	from what i experience, nothing much has changed, there are many indevelopment servers right now, but my perception of whos gonna make it somewhere has far changed (objectively speaking) people have become way too critical and judgemental over the past decade (generally speaking) the overwhelming amount of games flooding the market makes them struggle to decide what to invest time into without being at loss the pros to cons of developing with the graal engine arnt really that convincing to me to invest nearly as much time as id like to to stay longtime motivated

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Sardon Deus Vult Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Le Canada Posts: 3,811	90% of classic players have no clue what a playerworld is and if they have they probally don't even know how to acess servers off of the list. It should be advertised and updated as alot of tools are outdated, client still says you need to pay for a gold subscription which confuses newer players. As for servers many aren't given much motivation to keep on going as client is dead and the chances of going to mobile are 1 in a million plus there is the fact that it takes forever to get approved for such things. I would blame the death of unholy nations and zodiac for the current state of client as they were the most popular servers and we are now at a huge loss of players. developers attempt to work on newer servers nowadyas but they never last that long in general its just management issues and the lack of care given to pc client.

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Eugeen Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,173	The problem is is that you won't get anywhere from developing on graal except if you do it for fun or learning purposes. But even then you're better off learning a language like java instead

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BEH0LD iTz SAM GunsAdmin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,337	Because most of the developers we had have grown older and have no interest in working for free anymore and the majority of the new player base from the ios servers are young and have no interest in trying to learn to script/ don't even know about playerworlds. If the appstore had some kind of basic functional testbed server with ios development tools it may appeal to iserver players more to give it ago, which may result in more aspiring developers.