Posted by Cecily

makes me facepalm so hard whenever people suggest health increases...

Afraid of change? Scaling everything to adjust it literally only adjusts in finer tuning for numbers and statistics across the board. I see no reason for apprehension.  

Posted by Cecily

makes me facepalm so hard whenever people suggest health increases...

Makes me faceplam so hard when you hardly even play Era. Don't talk like you been on the server since the beginning and you think every nerf is a good nerf. Also that post about Koreans not complaining about their nerfs in MMOs. Um really? Everybody complains of a nerf. There will always be two sides. The few that likes the nerf and the few that don't. Saying all of us Americans complain of a little nerf..really makes no sense and is untrue.  

Posted by Talon

Afraid of change? Scaling everything to adjust it literally only adjusts in finer tuning for numbers and statistics across the board. I see no reason for apprehension.

I'm pretty sure the gun admins would have done that already if it was necessary.

why would the gun admins go that far when all they need to do is change the stats of the few superior guns? oh look 5 to 7 guns are overpowered, lets increase hp and WASTE TIME ALTERNATING 100+ GUNS/MELEES, worth the time.

Posted by xSupah*

Makes me faceplam so hard when you hardly even play Era. Don't talk like you been on the server since the beginning and you think every nerf is a good nerf. Also that post about Koreans not complaining about their nerfs in MMOs. Um really? Everybody complains of a nerf. There will always be two sides. The few that likes the nerf and the few that don't. Saying all of us Americans complain of a little nerf..really makes no sense and is untrue.

so apparently you're some expert psychologist that happen know how active I am, how much money I have, how many guns I have, how long I have played the game, oh you must want to compare the shells we've digged and other useless status. I'm not saying I am an old player, it doesn't require you to "play from alpha test" to know how ******ed the community is, it doesn't matter if you have more hours than me, it only means you've some how put up with this game longer than I despite the horrible community with a high amount of raging/crying players.

im just saying you guys complain too much over a small change, and think "refund" and "pls" is some sort of magical word that gets you anything you want. might as well earn more credit for complaining to a bed bug for biting you in your sleep.

im just saying the Korean gamers don't complain about every freaking small nerf for their gear, I hav never ran into any complaints or refund requests in a Korean mmorpg forum when I have been subscribed to numerous forums ever since year 1998, we like the game balanced, if it's nerfed we deal with it and adapt, not beg for refunds..

you need to acknowledge that iera players complain way too much for every change and request a refund over a small scratch to a point where it's weird that some players don't notice this cycle.

1. gun is known to be overpowered, wants to bandwagon!
2. works hard to buy 200k gun or pays real money
3. very small balance change - 5 clips
4. #$@*$(@*#$(@#*$(#@*$#@($*#@ I USED REAL MONEY REFUND SO I CAN HOP TO THE NEXT OP GUN WOW THIS GUN SUCKS NOW!!!!
5. you can still kill 4 people with it without having to reload
6. rinse&repeat

a group of Korean gamers using that weapon would have literally just laughed and would have requested for a proper nerf rather than doing such a small nerf that is unnoticeable.

now if we're talking about minigun nerf, that one was quite noticeable and I really loved that update, it was well deserved and to those people who complain about it "haha, should have seen that one coming from a mile away" I would still buy that gun only if I liked heavy machine guns!

I won't deny that the Korean players on iera probably do complain such as "this guy that spars uses an overpowered gun!" it's actually a rare sighting for me to see Koreans complain lol! there are only a few Korean gamers in this game but I still haven't seen any of them complain for refunds and still see them paying real money for minigun regardless of the nerf.  

I'm pretty sure the gun admins would have done that already if it was necessary.

why would the gun admins go that far when all they need to do is change the stats of the few superior guns? oh look 5 to 7 guns are overpowered, lets increase hp and WASTE TIME ALTERNATING 100+ GUNS/MELEES, worth the time.

I figured the gun admins would have fixed the problem that everyone has been complaining about nonstop since the dawn of this game, but as demonstrated, that isn't always true. So you even understand what I'm suggesting here or are you completely blind to what I'm implying behind a health increase?

Say 5-7 are OP. Health increase to 5000. Instead of having to pick 5, 6, or 7, they can be fine tuned to 550, 525, 675, so forth. Pretty obvious.  

im trying to telling you "why would they change the health to 5000 and have to alter about 100 weapons stats?" you can't seem to comprehend very well.. and you can't seem to notice that you're just adding needless work.  

Posted by Cecily

but what im telling you is "why would they change the health to 5000 and have to alter about 100 weapons stats?" you can't seem to comprehend very well..

Because it will solve a lot of problems. For too long the problem has just been ignored and simple changes to the weapons can no longer fix that. The damage has been done to the weapons so unless the system is overhauled it will continue getting worse.  

Posted by xSupah*

Your kidding right? The guns you like to nerf are sometimes for no reason at all. Take the M4. Been a really good classic gun for a while. You went ahead and after 3 years of being untouched, nerfed it. You can't say your trying to recover from the damage the bar has caused as you and rec still put guns in shops that are over 100k. Idk what your point is from that but with the stupid nerf of the jobs, that average player gonna have a hard time. BARs, PBPs, M107s, Flamethrowers. Don't get me started on the WH64. Its flame mode is stacked which can deal 18 dmg in one hit. Yeah, you really are trying to repair the damage.

M4 has never been nerfed during my time or mephs time as being staff, go ask him yourself if you want confirmation, I agree wh64 is bs, when making it I wanted it to have a burst fire mode with no stacked but it stuffed up the main fire mode when activated so it got changed to stacked with pretty much the old pbp stats. Nothing was done about it because honestly not many people even have it, I haven't seen anyone using the wh64 in 3 weeks now. Flamethrower I also agree with and I tried pushing for a nerf but due to the massive 'riots' from flamethrower owners snk wanted it changed back so I had to settle for reduced bullet hitbox and like 0.03 more freeze. M107 isn't overpowered, yes it can be annoying when there are 3 people using it but generally it's only one person and there's always somewhere you can hide from it. It was added to stop base entrance campers such as in GZ so at least you can have a chance of dodging bar spam in the long hallway.

Why are you blaming me for job nerfs? I'm a gun admin not a job admin, the decision to nerf jobs was snks but it was most likely infuenced by stefan/unixmad and only effected car missions

Posted by Talon

Afraid of change? Scaling everything to adjust it literally only adjusts in finer tuning for numbers and statistics across the board. I see no reason for apprehension.

Like I said these are things I need time to work on getting, last time I asked about it I was told there were things that needed to be done before, and that at that time it wasn't possible to add, same for other small things I asked for like car speed increased which I was told wasn't allowed because it effected missions and lag.
Also 5000 hp is to much, if it was to be changed it would be 100, it's hard enough to kill people with only 50 hp in the overworld who run away shooting behind  

Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM

M4 has never been nerfed during my time or mephs time as being staff, go ask him yourself if you want confirmation, I agree wh64 is bs, when making it I wanted it to have a burst fire mode with no stacked but it stuffed up the main fire mode when activated so it got changed to stacked with pretty much the old pbp stats. Nothing was done about it because honestly not many people even have it, I haven't seen anyone using the wh64 in 3 weeks now. Flamethrower I also agree with and I tried pushing for a nerf but due to the massive 'riots' from flamethrower owners snk wanted it changed back so I had to settle for reduced bullet hitbox and like 0.03 more freeze. M107 isn't overpowered, yes it can be annoying when there are 3 people using it but generally it's only one person and there's always somewhere you can hide from it. It was added to stop base entrance campers such as in GZ so at least you can have a chance of dodging bar spam in the long hallway.

Why are you blaming me for job nerfs? I'm a gun admin not a job admin, the decision to nerf jobs was snks but it was most likely infuenced by stefan/unixmad and only effected car missions



Like I said these are things I need time to work on getting, last time I asked about it I was told there were things that needed to be done before, and that at that time it wasn't possible to add, same for other small things I asked for like car speed increased which I was told wasn't allowed because it effected missions and lag.
Also 5000 hp is to much, if it was to be changed it would be 100, it's hard enough to kill people with only 50 hp in the overworld who run away shooting behind

Never did I say "Sam your the cause of these gun nerfs". I said ever since the jobs nerf. Was not intended at you if that what you are thinking. You also can't say M4 wasn't nerfed when most of the M4 users said it was. You guys added more freeze to the gun..Like why?  

You can also probably expect to see the movement speed modifier used on the minigun added to any of the higher tier guns released in the future, although I doubt any gun released for at least 6-8 months won't be above 100k so it may be awhile

Posted by xSupah*

also can't say M4 wasn't nerfed when most of the M4 users said it was. You guys added more freeze to the gun..Like why?

It was never nerfed, let me go find a quote from era go

From meph
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"You know, I have no clue where people are getting that M4 has been changed.
Every time somebody says something about it, I go in and check it just to be sure.

this.gun_spread = 0.1;
this.player_freezefire = {0.1945,0.30};
this.player_freezereload = {0.30,0.35};
this.gun_clip = 16;

Those are the same exact stats it had when I joined the iEra team in August 2012.
I never touched it because everybody saw the M4 as a 'benchmark' gun that set the standard for other guns."

http://era-go.com/forum/showthread.p...007#post158007

The m4 'nerf' is a fabricated rumour pushed around by players who 'feel like it's worse'. And then that goes to the next person who hears and thinks that. If the m4 ever was nerfed I would have wanted to know why and changed it back myself. Some may find it hard to believe but I actually play this game, don't go thinking I don't know anything about 'player concerns' when I'm more or less primarily on my ios, when I make changes it's based off of any feedback I see ingame or on era go, and how it performs when I'm against others. I think I only have around 600 hours on my pc, most of it probably from when I forgot to close graal, and thats from over a year and a half of staff.  

^ Alright, my apologies for saying it was. Not trying to bash on you, just everyone kept saying m4 got nerfed so I got pretty mad. Anyway I hope you guys can release some nice decent guns for a decent price but losing hope for that.  

Posted by xSupah*

^ Alright, my apologies for saying it was. Not trying to bash on you, just everyone kept saying m4 got nerfed so I got pretty mad. Anyway I hope you guys can release some nice decent guns for a decent price but losing hope for that.

It's alright, testing out a gun for possible release with less freeze then souizen but a very, very slow fire rate, 8 damage for around 70-80k, pretty fun to use if you're good with the starter handgun it's pretty much the same stat wise but also has a burst mode and of course upgraded damage, and also we will be releasing a few lmgs people have been requesting, hopefully around 40-50k

And then that will probably be it for gun releases until something like health is changed (excluding events and holidays)  

Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM

It's alright, testing out a gun for possible release with less freeze then souizen but a very, very slow fire rate, 8 damage for around 70-80k, pretty fun to use if you're good with the starter handgun it's pretty much the same stat wise but also has a burst mode and of course upgraded damage, and also we will be releasing a few lmgs people have been requesting, hopefully around 40-50k

And then that will probably be it for gun releases until something like health is changed (excluding events and holidays)

Sam this isn't a complaint, but have you noticed less people use the mini gun now? I mean for what it's worth it should have never been added. I thought it was your favorite weapon?  

Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM

It's alright, testing out a gun for possible release with less freeze then souizen but a very, very slow fire rate, 8 damage for around 70-80k, pretty fun to use if you're good with the starter handgun it's pretty much the same stat wise but also has a burst mode and of course upgraded damage, and also we will be releasing a few lmgs people have been requesting, hopefully around 40-50k

And then that will probably be it for gun releases until something like health is changed (excluding events and holidays)

You guys will be changing the max hp?? How will that work out? Like the sound of that gun. Still fingers crossed for the SCAR( my fav assault rifle) to make it appearance..either the Heavy variant or Light variant or even the 2 both released with separate stats (Heavy more dmg, more freeze, Light less dmg, less freeze).  

Posted by xSupah*

You guys will be changing the max hp?? How will that work out? Like the sound of that gun. Still fingers crossed for the SCAR( my fav assault rifle) to make it appearance..either the Heavy variant or Light variant or even the 2 both released with separate stats (Heavy more dmg, more freeze, Light less dmg, less freeze).

Posted by John

Sam this isn't a complaint, but have you noticed less people use the mini gun now? I mean for what it's worth it should have never been added. I thought it was your favorite weapon?

It isn't my favourite gun, it was never intended to be a primary gun which people used it as, it's a defensive gun and it still does that best, if people don't use it it's their choice but it's still very effective  

It would have helped if we known about it being a defensive gun before we bought it. You should just make a new description for it so people will know before they buy it because if they're looking for an offensive gun, go for the bar and not the minigun since people always ask between them. I rather see a happy player than a sad one to be real with ya.