IP ban doesn't work. All it did was ban them if they reconnected on another account, but it still let them make an account and stay on as long as they want. There was no check for new accounts being made to check if the IP matches anyone currently jailed.  

Posted by PigParty

IP ban doesn't work. All it did was ban them if they reconnected on another account, but it still let them make an account and stay on as long as they want. There was no check for new accounts being made to check if the IP matches anyone currently jailed.

We are against banning whole households using the same IP just because one person messed up. Let them use their noob accounts, yet the main account always is the most important to show off and play with. And they have no access to that one, thats our main goal  

Posted by Chelterrar

We are against banning whole households using the same IP just because one person messed up. Let them use their noob accounts, yet the main account always is the most important to show off and play with. And they have no access to that one, thats our main goal

If a sibling plays Zone and gets IP banned, they can send a ticket and get unbanned easily. Why are you even having a ban? Main accounts aren't that important. If I was banned, I have friends who could let me borrow their rippers, a 1 of a kind hat, and anything I want until my main is unbanned. Why even have ban if you - the manager - is saying "let them use their noob accounts". I think you're forgetting the point of banning someone. It's not to ban their account - it's to ban that actual player. That player has done something to hinder the gameplay of someone else or general gameplay. The point of banning them is to get them off the game for a period of time. Not to let them do the same ****ing thing on a noob account. Come on.  

how about you lose all of your g if your jailed?  

For Chelt who **ing doesnt understand why your current ban system is **ing stupid,

Example, there's a player bullying another playing, telling them to kill themselves or something horrible, the bullied player reports the bully to a Zone Patrol, bully gets banned. Then bully goes into a noob account and continue to bully the person again and again until the main account is unbanned. Now tell me chelt, what's the purpose of your ban system? If the banned people doesnt learn their lesson?

Smh chelt, seems like you didnt plan this thoroughly enough. Your ban system is a dumb idea.  

Posted by Unknown?

For Chelt who **ing doesnt understand why your current ban system is **ing stupid,

Example, there's a player bullying another playing, telling them to kill themselves or something horrible, the bullied player reports the bully to a Zone Patrol, bully gets banned. Then bully goes into a noob account and continue to bully the person again and again until the main account is unbanned. Now tell me chelt, what's the purpose of your ban system? If the banned people doesnt learn their lesson?

Smh chelt, seems like you didnt plan this thoroughly enough. Your ban system is a dumb idea.

The current ban system doesn't prevent this either...  

Posted by Unknown?

For Chelt who **ing doesnt understand why your current ban system is **ing stupid,

Example, there's a player bullying another playing, telling them to kill themselves or something horrible, the bullied player reports the bully to a Zone Patrol, bully gets banned. Then bully goes into a noob account and continue to bully the person again and again until the main account is unbanned. Now tell me chelt, what's the purpose of your ban system? If the banned people doesnt learn their lesson?

Smh chelt, seems like you didnt plan this thoroughly enough. Your ban system is a dumb idea.

Okay, cause that's what's happening on every other Graal server, right?

Imagine if every sibling has to send in a separate ticket to be unbanned. And how do we know it's a sibling and not a noob account. If your being harassed simply block and report them. Nobody asks you to listen to the crap people say.

I'm sorry but a lot of people won't actually do labour for a graal game. And I personally think it's an improvement. And most of the team shares that opinion. The player base is divided about it. But people always need to get used to change. So there you go. We have our reasons to do it like this and not any other way

Posted by Yog

The current ban system doesn't prevent this either...

Yes. I agree! We would have to block out every IP and device ever connected to this IP and every IP that was ever connected to that device. And every device connected to that IP. You get my point....

Plus they could always use a VPN and stuff like that  

I could just go play another game if i got banned, at least with jailing id have to work for my acc back which would probably make me not want to do it again  

Posted by Chelterrar

Plus they could always use a VPN and stuff like that

Or ya know...

But I probably shouldn't be sharing my elite 4chan hacker skills to the public.  

Posted by GenoIndeed

I could just go play another game if i got banned, at least with jailing id have to work for my acc back which would probably make me not want to do it again

If I got jailed, real talk- I'm never getting unjailed. lmao. Or ill pay someone like pig to mine for me.

I'm not mining. Js.

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And i bet you'd never do what you did again, right? Now if you just played a different game for a day or two you'd learn nothing. I always thought the punishment system was way too relaxed at first, especially during the time i was staff, and now its even more relaxed  

Any sort of punishment system revolving around labor is unheard of in any suspension meant to improve a player's attitude. The only way I could see to combat what you guys have a problem with this system is to offer permanent bans, which isn't the point of the system. It's to show players that they have stuff to lose. By permanently banning a player you're just giving them more of an incentive to play on an alt instead of waiting. Same goes with the mining system; They're more likely to abandon the account and play on an alt.  

It works tho. Im not saying make them do like 1000 rocks but even 20 is enough to make them probably not do it again, which is the point of it. If anything its a lot more relaxed than some games that will do much worse. If someone abandons their account over 20 rocks then theyre just being a baby over something they caused, they shouldnt have done the crime in the first place, people old enough to play should know not to bully, hack, glitch, abuse, etc, thats their fault, why should things be relaxed on them so they could just do it again?  

Posted by GenoIndeed

And i bet you'd never do what you did again, right? Now if you just played a different game for a day or two you'd learn nothing. I always thought the punishment system was way too relaxed at first, especially during the time i was staff, and now its even more relaxed

No. I would then quit and then give everything I have away and instead play Albion like my friend SKT has told me to for the last year... Oh wait. My bad. I thought I was Amer there for a moment.
#AmerWasInnocent #NoProof

Like actually, if I ever get rocked I wouldn't even mine. First thing I'd do is ask for proof. Then if that doesn't work I'd pay someone to do it. Then I'd do it again knowing that I did nothing wrong and that the system is broken.

Like even for 1 rock, I would loe kii start an entire petition to unban me.

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Like I said though, no proof.
Proof in trials are for the public, not the criminal. They know what they did or didn't do. They always do... Well in some cases they dont... But shh.

Want to know why the general Graal player always takes their friends sides? No proof if ever given. Mad sketch.

And that's what causes people to get angry and upset when they're banned. Whether they did or didn't do what they're accused of, having no proof to justify the claims makes the entire process seem one sided, making overall Admin approval low, making Zone spirits low.  

Posted by GenoIndeed

It works tho. Im not saying make them do like 1000 rocks but even 20 is enough to make them probably not do it again, which is the point of it.

There's not enough evidence to suggest that it works. "Maybe" isn't enough of a reason to stray from a method that is commonly used and has been proven to improve player's attitudes.