Should GST hat edits be allowed?

Aguzo · 03-03-2016

A few months ago some players were denied modifications to their gst hat, even if it was a simple recolor (from what I heard, it was only a recolor).

Since then, a new rule has been set that players are not allowed to modify their gst hats in any way. Before you answer this question, I'd like to list a few rules, that would probably enable you and your team to modify your hat. These regulations will be stated, so that players can know what they are allowed to do, and what they should refrain from doing.

1. If you know who the staff member that made the gst hat you own is, then you can ask them to edit it. If they decline, then you can do it yourself.

2. If the creator of the hat accepts, then you must wait at least a full week to let them: Edit, and upload.

3. Do not keep asking the creator of the hat, "Have you started yet?", "When will it be done?", or "Have you uploaded yet?" If the week has passed, then the staff doesn't have time to edit the hat, and leaves it for you to do the edit. (Follow the rules/guidelines below)

4. You cannot submit a different hat, or remove any parts of the hat.

5. If you are recoloring the hat, be sure to recolor the hat with same values for the shade, but a different color. If you do not do this correctly, then the edit can be denied.

6. Make sure that there are no transparency issues with your hat.

7. Your first edit submitted is also your final submission. After that, you are not allowed to resubmit, or say "Wait, I change my mind."

8. Once you submit, please allow up 2 weeks for your edited hat to be uploaded. Once uploaded, the hat takes time to change, so be patient.

So to recap

What you are allowed to do:

Recolor the hat, using the same exact shading.
Make lenses for glasses/shades, or visors for helmets transparent (Not fully)
If the hat is not centered, or too low/too high, you can align it how you please (The hat can't be all the way above your head, nor should it be too low)
Make eyes blink, if your hat has eyes *Staff required*
Add GST logo on the back *Staff required*

What you are not allowed to do:

Add your guild logo (This is because, staff doesn't know if your logo is taken from somewhere else, so this one is just for safety)
You aren't allowed to add or remove parts. (Unless Staff is the one that's editing)
You can't submit a different hat.
You can't bother staff, be patient.
You can't resubmit, or change your mind. First edit is final. (Unless you had transparency issues)

One last thing. Respect the people who made the hat. Don't abuse their kindness, and if you do edit, don't blow it in their faces saying things like, "So much better now."

If the staff does edit, the least you can do is say "Thank you."

So, should edits for gst hats be allowed?

What other rules do you think should be added regarding edits? If you have any thoughts on that.

I personally feel like if these sort of rules were set, staff might allow edits.

Coco · 03-03-2016

Okay well this is and always will be a no. 1k hats are already a pain so we're not about to let players edit staff-made GST hats. Pretty sure we don't even allow recolors on 1k hats once they've been uploaded. Only extremely minor edits, but those are even problematic due to the cache. If we let players edit GST hats then we'd either have to delete the original, remove it from the winners, upload the new version, and re-add it to the winners or the winners will just have to wait forever for the cache to update.

1k hats are one thing because the guild gets to design it and have someone of their choosing create it. They get to revise and edit it all they want before it's submitted, unlike GST hats where they are pre-made and they get to choose after they're already uploaded. Not only would it get incredibly annoying after some time, but it would be complicated because of the cache AND players may edit it in such a way that it would look really... really bad. So... No thanks.

Weeno · 03-03-2016

So you're telling me like 80 people out there can't make their own hats?

Thallen · 03-03-2016

Yep, they should, just like guilds were allowed random edits in the past
Apparently this all stopped after the Fall 2015 GST, where I was politely told to **** myself and never dare ask for a GST hat edit again
Taking that and the interest of near-consistency into consideration: I changed my mind and say no, they shouldn't

Aguzo · 03-03-2016

Posted by Coco

Okay well this is and always will be a no.

I can understand when a staff denies any edit to their hat. Maybe the person doesn't have the time, or feels like their work was "not good enough", which they shouldn't feel that way. (Especially when people only ask for/want to do a recolor)

I can also understand that just because a staff member allowed it, doesn't make it fair either. People could call them out on "preferences."

There is also the possible theory that you guys don't want extra work on your hands, and having all the people who got 1st-3rd in each side of the tourney ask for an edit, seems like a pain.

But, if it's just a recolor w/ the same exact shading, and not removing/adding parts, unless the one who made the hat is doing the editing, then I don't see what the problem is. Especially when the rules state that staff have a lot of time allowed to upload, before you bother them, and players have to be patient. No re-submissions after the 1st edit either.

Also, I'd like to state that I personally do not really care if edits are allowed or not. I just feel like they should be allowed. Color preferences, and what not. I received a hat, and really liked it. Another member on the team thought of making the lens for the hat transparent, so the face could be visible. We asked the staff politely, and even told them "You don't have to, if you don't want to." The hat still looks great without it, just preferences.

Posted by Thallen

Yep, they should, just like guilds were allowed random edits in the past.
Taking that and the interest of near-consistency into consideration: I changed my mind and say no, they shouldn't

This is where the "preferences" come into play.
They allowed it for them, so I should be allowed as well.
They didn't allow it for me, so no one else can.

Posted by Thallen

I was politely told to **** myself and never dare ask for a GST hat edit again

Not arguing with the staff member that made your hat, or at least try to reason with them with something other than "They were allowed to, so I should be allowed as well", could have helped you out a lot.

I think staff stopped allowing edits, mostly because of too many players asking.

Thallen · 03-03-2016

Posted by Aguzo

This is where the "preferences" come into play.
They allowed it for them, so I should be allowed as well.
They didn't allow it for me, so no one else can.

You were one of the people in that thread telling me that they shouldn't upload our hat edit. Now you want your hat edited.

Posted by Aguzo

Not arguing with the staff member that made your hat, or at least try to reason with them with something other than "They were allowed to, so I should be allowed as well", could have helped you out a lot.

There was never any argument with the staff member that made our hat. Sun offered to edit it and did it quickly and cleanly:

The people against it were:

GFX admin, Leah (literally just said "no")
GFX staff, Kenovo (the same guy who later submitted, and had approved, multiple Christmas hats designed after his in-game guild "FROOT", which is a clear conflict of interest and maybe even a copyright concern considering it's all designed after a Marina & The Diamonds album)

rickclops · 03-03-2016

Oh wait, edit your own gst hat, whoops, thought he meant reupload someone else's gst hat with changes.
My bad for skimming.

Aguzo · 03-03-2016

Posted by Thallen

You were one of the people in that thread telling me that they shouldn't upload our hat edit. Now you want your hat edited.

Did I really? I don't think that I ever posted that, but a link would be nice.

Anyways, yes/no. I don't care if the hat that Drea made gets edited or not, it looks nice either way.

You wanted a recolor, I think because alumni has a lot of red/blue hats.
Blackout wanted the visor to be transparent. Basically preferences.
Contego wanted the helmet to also have "gst" on the back, but we didn't ask for that to not ask for too much. (Plus, then it wouldn't look as cosmetic, imo)

What I would like though, is for players and staff to come to terms and understand each other. Why edits aren't allowed or why they should be allowed if a certain set rules were given. These rules are just examples. There could be more towards the issue, which is why I am asking both parties.

For instance, some players feel like "at least 1st place should be allowed to upload their own hat." That can't be done, mostly, because they aren't staff and it's unsafe. (They could upload something from another game)

Eugeen · 03-03-2016

Posted by Thallen

You were one of the people in that thread telling me that they shouldn't upload our hat edit. Now you want your hat edited.

There was never any argument with the staff member that made our hat. Sun offered to edit it and did it quickly and cleanly:

The people against it were:

GFX admin, Leah (literally just said "no")
GFX staff, Kenovo (the same guy who later submitted, and had approved, multiple Christmas hats designed after his in-game guild "FROOT", which is a clear conflict of interest and maybe even a copyright concern considering it's all designed after a Marina & The Diamonds album)

Tbh that last part sounds exactly like them lmao like they seem to always be like that

Brett · 03-03-2016

Hate all the GST hats I own/wouldn't ever wear, but improving it to a little bit to the guilds taste doesn't seem too unreasonable. Voted yes.

UU · 03-03-2016

Posted by Coco

Okay well this is and always will be a no. 1k hats are already a pain so we're not about to let players edit staff-made GST hats. Pretty sure we don't even allow recolors on 1k hats once they've been uploaded. Only extremely minor edits, but those are even problematic due to the cache. If we let players edit GST hats then we'd either have to delete the original, remove it from the winners, upload the new version, and re-add it to the winners or the winners will just have to wait forever for the cache to update.

1k hats are one thing because the guild gets to design it and have someone of their choosing create it. They get to revise and edit it all they want before it's submitted, unlike GST hats where they are pre-made and they get to choose after they're already uploaded. Not only would it get incredibly annoying after some time, but it would be complicated because of the cache AND players may edit it in such a way that it would look really... really bad. So... No thanks.

So its ok to edit 1k hats which are happening 4-5 times a month. But its not ok to edit gst hats where 6 are given out every 3 months?

Posted by Aguzo

Did I really? I don't think that I ever posted that, but a link would be nice.

Anyways, yes/no. I don't care if the hat that Drea made gets edited or not, it looks nice either way.

You wanted a recolor, I think because alumni has a lot of red/blue hats.
Blackout wanted the visor to be transparent. Basically preferences.
Contego wanted the helmet to also have "gst" on the back, but we didn't ask for that to not ask for too much. (Plus, then it wouldn't look as cosmetic, imo)

What I would like though, is for players and staff to come to terms and understand each other. Why edits aren't allowed or why they should be allowed if a certain set rules were given. These rules are just examples. There could be more towards the issue, which is why I am asking both parties.

For instance, some players feel like "at least 1st place should be allowed to upload their own hat." That can't be done, mostly, because they aren't staff and it's unsafe. (They could upload something from another game)

Im pretty sure guilds that place first always pick the hat that has "gst" on it. So that kinda edit wouldnt be fair xP

Blu · 03-03-2016

Posted by Thallen

Yep, they should, just like guilds were allowed random edits in the past
Apparently this all stopped after the Fall 2015 GST, where I was politely told to **** myself and never dare ask for a GST hat edit again
Taking that and the interest of near-consistency into consideration: I changed my mind and say no, they shouldn't

who said that XDXDXD

Thallen · 03-03-2016

Posted by Brett

Hate all the GST hats I own/wouldn't ever wear, but improving it to a little bit to the guilds taste doesn't seem too unreasonable. Voted yes.

I have 9 now, only 2 of them are wearable (in my opinion).

GST hats and tower rewards are the only things you can win to show some symbol of achievement as a guild. It should have been a rule from the start that you're allowed GST hat edits like simple recolors (to match your guild colors) and small symbol changes (even if just a letter) to personalize it so that it represents your guild. Making two (at max) small edits every 3 months is not going to break anyone's back.

Posted by Blu

who said that XDXDXD

It wasn't the exact language obviously, but the way Leah responded and then Kenovo ranted on the forums was pretty rude.

Darkk · 03-03-2016

Two of my gst hats have been edited. I'm positive if you talk to the maker of the specific hat and either fp4 or xor the hat will be edited, approved and uploaded. I wouldn't bother involving Leah since she is straight up rude and ignorant.

Coco · 03-03-2016

Posted by UU

So its ok to edit 1k hats which are happening 4-5 times a month. But its not ok to edit gst hats where 6 are given out every 3 months?

1k hats are permitted because sometimes things go unnoticed by whoever made then and need to be fixed or adjusted. Which is why we only allow tiny edits. It's not something we encourage due to the cache but it's allowed.

If it wasn't for the cache then perhaps it would be okay. But it sucks when something gets edited and uploaded and everyone complains that they can't see the edit and there's nothing we can about it but tell them they just have to wait it out and eventually they'll see it or upload it with a different filename. It's not easy just overwriting graphics, which is why we always upload a test file and make sure everything is okay before we upload the actual filename we want to use. This goes for everything and I've just started doing it with guild hats so to avoid the trouble.

Poll Results: Should edits be allowed?
52.94%	Yes
47.06%	No
Voters: 85. You may not vote on this poll

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Aguzo Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 3,027	Should GST hat edits be allowed? A few months ago some players were denied modifications to their gst hat, even if it was a simple recolor (from what I heard, it was only a recolor). Since then, a new rule has been set that players are not allowed to modify their gst hats in any way. Before you answer this question, I'd like to list a few rules, that would probably enable you and your team to modify your hat. These regulations will be stated, so that players can know what they are allowed to do, and what they should refrain from doing. 1. If you know who the staff member that made the gst hat you own is, then you can ask them to edit it. If they decline, then you can do it yourself. 2. If the creator of the hat accepts, then you must wait at least a full week to let them: Edit, and upload. 3. Do not keep asking the creator of the hat, "Have you started yet?", "When will it be done?", or "Have you uploaded yet?" If the week has passed, then the staff doesn't have time to edit the hat, and leaves it for you to do the edit. (Follow the rules/guidelines below) 4. You cannot submit a different hat, or remove any parts of the hat. 5. If you are recoloring the hat, be sure to recolor the hat with same values for the shade, but a different color. If you do not do this correctly, then the edit can be denied. 6. Make sure that there are no transparency issues with your hat. 7. Your first edit submitted is also your final submission. After that, you are not allowed to resubmit, or say "Wait, I change my mind." 8. Once you submit, please allow up 2 weeks for your edited hat to be uploaded. Once uploaded, the hat takes time to change, so be patient. So to recap What you are allowed to do: Recolor the hat, using the same exact shading. Make lenses for glasses/shades, or visors for helmets transparent (Not fully) If the hat is not centered, or too low/too high, you can align it how you please (The hat can't be all the way above your head, nor should it be too low) Make eyes blink, if your hat has eyes *Staff required* Add GST logo on the back *Staff required* What you are not allowed to do: Add your guild logo (This is because, staff doesn't know if your logo is taken from somewhere else, so this one is just for safety) You aren't allowed to add or remove parts. (Unless Staff is the one that's editing) You can't submit a different hat. You can't bother staff, be patient. You can't resubmit, or change your mind. First edit is final. (Unless you had transparency issues) One last thing. Respect the people who made the hat. Don't abuse their kindness, and if you do edit, don't blow it in their faces saying things like, "So much better now." If the staff does edit, the least you can do is say "Thank you." So, should edits for gst hats be allowed? What other rules do you think should be added regarding edits? If you have any thoughts on that. I personally feel like if these sort of rules were set, staff might allow edits.

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Coco iClassic Dev Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Onnet Town Posts: 1,945	Okay well this is and always will be a no. 1k hats are already a pain so we're not about to let players edit staff-made GST hats. Pretty sure we don't even allow recolors on 1k hats once they've been uploaded. Only extremely minor edits, but those are even problematic due to the cache. If we let players edit GST hats then we'd either have to delete the original, remove it from the winners, upload the new version, and re-add it to the winners or the winners will just have to wait forever for the cache to update. 1k hats are one thing because the guild gets to design it and have someone of their choosing create it. They get to revise and edit it all they want before it's submitted, unlike GST hats where they are pre-made and they get to choose after they're already uploaded. Not only would it get incredibly annoying after some time, but it would be complicated because of the cache AND players may edit it in such a way that it would look really... really bad. So... No thanks.

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Weeno Guy who gets roasted Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: behind u Posts: 3,598	So you're telling me like 80 people out there can't make their own hats?

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	Yep, they should, just like guilds were allowed random edits in the past Apparently this all stopped after the Fall 2015 GST, where I was politely told to **** myself and never dare ask for a GST hat edit again Taking that and the interest of near-consistency into consideration: I changed my mind and say no, they shouldn't

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rickclops Studying for graalians Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Seattle Posts: 304	Oh wait, edit your own gst hat, whoops, thought he meant reupload someone else's gst hat with changes. My bad for skimming.

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Brett Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 167	Hate all the GST hats I own/wouldn't ever wear, but improving it to a little bit to the guilds taste doesn't seem too unreasonable. Voted yes.

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Darkk Banned Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 934	Two of my gst hats have been edited. I'm positive if you talk to the maker of the specific hat and either fp4 or xor the hat will be edited, approved and uploaded. I wouldn't bother involving Leah since she is straight up rude and ignorant.