Posted by Saeed

Darlene for moderator!??

Don’t give them ideas  

Posted by 5hift

Lol you realize he's just trying to bait a response from me by purposely acting dumber than usual.

Dumber than usual? I post like twice a week, I smell a grain of salt in there.
However, I'm totally fine. Both Colin and Darlene took the bait, that's awesome.  

Posted by PumaD

Dumber than usual? I post like twice a week, I smell a grain of salt in there.
However, I'm totally fine. Both Colin and Darlene took the bait, that's awesome.

Responding to your posts = taking bait? So you don't want anyone to talk to you? You're just here to try and get under people's skin? That's cool I guess. I suppose the correct response would be for people to just let you sh*t on them without any type of backlash. Because responding to you is 'taking the bait', right? That's awesome. Free pass to call anyone anything you want for no reason, nice troll dude.

Spoiler

Should probably get banned if he keeps doing that.

 

Posted by Force

Responding to your posts = taking bait? So you don't want anyone to talk to you? You're just here to try and get under people's skin? That's cool I guess. I suppose the correct response would be for people to just let you sh*t on them without any type of backlash. Because responding to you is 'taking the bait', right? That's awesome. Free pass to call anyone anything you want for no reason, nice troll dude.

Spoiler

Should probably get banned if he keeps doing that.

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I just wish muslims weren't such pieces of **** tbh the world would be a better without them imo  

Posted by Red

Directly from the Quran, verse 9.29
"Fight against those who do not obey Allah and do not believe in Allah or the Last Day and do not forbid what has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger even if they are of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued."

And here we have the Holy Bible literally commanding genocide.

Deuteronomy 20:16 - 18

"However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God."


Point is, you're reading a book written by people living in one of the most violent times in history, in one of the most war-devastated parts of the world. Religious violence is totally not exclusive to Islam, and it shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone that any religion preached it at one point.


So hey if you want to blame today's problems on verses written over 1000 years ago, or people who don't follow those parts of the Quran, have at it. But if you ask me, those verses aren't the problem, the radicals that are committing acts of terror are.  

Posted by MrSimons

And here we have the Holy Bible literally commanding genocide.

Deuteronomy 20:16 - 18

"However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God."


Point is, you're reading a book written by people living in one of the most violent times in history, in one of the most war-devastated parts of the world. Religious violence is totally not exclusive to Islam, and it shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone that any religion preached it at one point.


So hey if you want to blame today's problems on verses written over 1000 years ago, or people who don't follow those parts of the Quran, have at it. But if you ask me, those verses aren't the problem, the radicals that are committing acts of terror are.

While I agree, the religions and their followers are still very different and play a role in it. Islam just needs to fast forward 1000 years and modernize. The secular values of the west are what get rid of a lot of the issues here, but when Islam is permeating through every possible social construct, governing system, and way of life, you get things like this.  

Posted by MrSimons

And here we have the Holy Bible literally commanding genocide.

Deuteronomy 20:16 - 18

"However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God."


Point is, you're reading a book written by people living in one of the most violent times in history, in one of the most war-devastated parts of the world. Religious violence is totally not exclusive to Islam, and it shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone that any religion preached it at one point.


So hey if you want to blame today's problems on verses written over 1000 years ago, or people who don't follow those parts of the Quran, have at it. But if you ask me, those verses aren't the problem, the radicals that are committing acts of terror are.

bravo. Must spread rep first.

Posted by Fulgore

While I agree, the religions and their followers are still very different and play a role in it. Islam just needs to fast forward 1000 years and modernize. The secular values of the west are what get rid of a lot of the issues here, but when Islam is permeating through every possible social construct, governing system, and way of life, you get things like this.

They are different, but I view that the problem may be that the governments have used religion as an excuse to create laws, justify unjustifiable actions, etc. in order to maintain power. I think that it's a cultural & governance issue, and that the religion has been the justification because it was an easy excuse to use. It doesn't help that the Middle-East has been and is unstable, ans that Western countries have played a significant role into the destabilization.

I think of it like this: Did England's monarchy rule use the Catholic church, or vice versa. I guess it's a matter of who corrupted who.

I 100% agree, though, that they are behind the times. But they aren't anything different than what we've seen before. There does need to be extreme modernization. I think that starts with the governments, though, rather than the religion. I think it would have a domino effect. Fix the governments, and everything will eventually fall into place.  

Posted by PigParty

Fix the governments, and everything will eventually fall into place.

Don't think so - Arab spring wasn't helping anyone at all. Egyptians elected someone democratically and still started another coup.

Maybe it's not their religion but their genes, who knows.  

Every Muslim I know well who's married didn't hit or hurt his wife in any way. Never supported any idea of bringing the Sharia law into Germany. Never discriminated anyone.

I don't believe "Islam needs to be up to date" is true. It really depends on the people, not the religion. Just reminded me of a quote.. "[Religion] is made for every human, but not every human made for [religion]." When that Norwegian guy killed over 100 people in a single day noone really pointed any finger at his religion, although he's just as sick and.. as any other KKK, ISIS or whatever group of mentally ill people. Blaming a religion sounds like an excuse to me so hate seems legit (I don't mean anyone here on Graalians). But yea, if he doesn't kill you because he is Muslim but he's black.. we haf those times aswell, sadly..

Back OT: Forcerino baterino?  

Posted by Fulgore

While I agree, the religions and their followers are still very different and play a role in it. Islam just needs to fast forward 1000 years and modernize. The secular values of the west are what get rid of a lot of the issues here, but when Islam is permeating through every possible social construct, governing system, and way of life, you get things like this.

I'd say that in North America and Australia it is already a modern religion. Its pretty clear that at this point there is a large divide in Islamic values between parts of the globe.  

Posted by MrSimons

I'd say that in North America and Australia it is already a modern religion. Its pretty clear that at this point there is a large divide in Islamic values between parts of the globe.

The people of that faith that are born in the west aren't the same, which is clear. This is why again I bring up the secular values of those nations and attribute that as the hero in that case.

However, this isn't the case in the middle east. Those countries are the farthest thing from secular, they're practically theocracies even if not in name.  

Posted by Fulgore

The people of that faith that are born in the west aren't the same, which is clear. This is why again I bring up the secular values of those nations and attribute that as the hero in that case.

However, this isn't the case in the middle east. Those countries are the farthest thing from secular, they're practically theocracies even if not in name.

They don't have to be born in the west. I know Muslims who were born and raised in the Middle East and are now in America and they are modern.  

Posted by PigParty

They don't have to be born in the west. I know Muslims who were born and raised in the Middle East and are now in America and they are modern.

Just because you know people like that (as do I) it doesn't mean they are the typical example.  

Posted by PigParty

They don't have to be born in the west. I know Muslims who were born and raised in the Middle East and are now in America and they are modern.

When they move to America they're obviously going to modernize themselves
Those who don't modernize are the issue though