The Mandela Effect - 3

Vendetta · 12-06-2016

Posted by Eugeen

I'm just saying this is a possibility.
Just like I see how some see their religion as possibility.
Like really, I think religions could possible be true, but I also think that things like these could be true, or even us being made through scientific means.
It's just that we can't ever find out what started the begging of what created everyhing.
Also, there's people who 100% believe things like these to be fact and will spend their lives to live with their believe in mind and it's pretty sh*tty for anyone to sh*t on their ideals.

I'm open to multiple theories about existence as a whole since I find those kind of things interesting.
Excluding one persons theory on life and excluding the other shows you're closeminded and not open to anything but what you think is true.
Yeah obviously you're gonna put these things aside like crazy talk or conspiracy crap but that just shows you're biased, really, you're basically trying to debunk believe.

TL;DR if you don't know how the the entire existence of everything was created then don't simply shove aside peoples believes because they aren't true according to yourself.

Of course it's "conspiracy crap", there's as much evidence for the multiple reality theory as there is for the flying spaghetti monster. It's fine to come up with your own ideas and speculate on what the Mandela effect is caused by, but if you can't provide any evidence then it's also okay for other people to disagree without being close minded.

Eugeen · 12-06-2016

You're basically saying religion is false too because there's no evidence either.
The bible was written by humans so that's not proof.
Yet millions of people devote their lives to religion and if they believe in it then I don't see anything wrong with that.

Believes don't require evidence.
Not everything in life can be scientifically proven especially not our existence.

PigParty · 12-06-2016

I'm not closed-minded at all lol. That doesn't mean I'll devote my life to the flying spaghetti monster. You can't really call me closed-minded because I don't believe in a conspiracy that has 0 evidence whatsoever to back it up. Religions have books from thousands of years ago as their evidence to justify that belief. It's up to each person to decide whether that - or any religion is actually real. This alternate reality belief was made up by reddit users?? Or did those reddit users just get it from the 3 AM radio shows where they discuss aliens, altermate realities, and how the government is brainwashing them into not believing these things? Just because people misunderstand something like Looney Toons from Looney Tunes? There's nothing at all to justify alternate realities, so therefore it is just a crazy conspiracy.

Posted by Eugeen

Not everything in life can be scientifically proven especially not our existence.

That's true. That doesn't mean that crazy conspiracy theories are right, though.

Eugeen · 12-06-2016

Posted by PigParty

I'm not closed-minded at all lol. That doesn't mean I'll devote my life to the flying spaghetti monster. You can't really call me closed-minded because I don't believe in a conspiracy that has 0 evidence whatsoever to back it up. Religions have books from thousands of years ago as their evidence to justify that belief. It's up to each person to decide whether that - or any religion is actually real. This alternate reality belief was made up by reddit users?? Or did those reddit users just get it from the 3 AM radio shows where they discuss aliens, altermate realities, and how the government is brainwashing them into not believing these things? Just because people misunderstand something like Looney Toons from Looney Tunes? There's nothing at all to justify alternate realities, so therefore it is just a crazy conspiracy.

That's true. That doesn't mean that crazy conspiracy theories are right, though.

I'm not telling you to believe, I'm just showing that you're pushing the fact that you're against said theory.
You're showing you're biased/close minded which is fine but don't devalue other peoples believes because of it.
These theories aren't facts nor is the evidence supporting it but it's something to think about as it is an interesting topic to me and many others.

So by this I'm not even going to further discuss the topic with you, you're not ready to discuss other peoples theories and believes with an open mind as you've already shown that you are simply incapable of doing so.

Vendetta · 12-06-2016

Posted by Eugeen

I'm not telling you to believe, I'm just showing that you're pushing the fact that you're against said theory.
You're showing you're biased/close minded which is fine but don't devalue other peoples believes because of it.
These theories aren't facts nor is the evidence supporting it but it's something to think about as it is an interesting topic to me and many others.

So by this I'm not even going to further discuss the topic with you, you're not ready to discuss other peoples theories and believes with an open mind as you've already shown that you are simply incapable of doing so.

People can disagree with you while still keeping an open-mind.

You're suggesting a theory that is completely implausible and is so fundamentally flawed. You can believe it if you want but people are going to disagree and make arguments against you, you can't just respond with "you're so close-minded". If I tell you that I think the flying spaghetti monster is causing the Mandela effect and you don't believe me, does that make you close-minded? No, it just means we have different opinions - and that's okay.

Eugeen · 12-06-2016

Posted by Vendetta

People can disagree with you while still keeping an open-mind.

You're suggesting a theory that is completely implausible and is so fundamentally flawed. You can believe it if you want but people are going to disagree and make arguments against you, you can't just respond with "you're so close-minded". If I tell you that I think the flying spaghetti monster is causing the Mandela effect and you don't believe me, does that make you close-minded? No, it just means we have different opinions - and that's okay.

It's the fact you guys are claiming someones believe to be impossible.
You can believe whatever you want, it's not up to you to tell someone their believe is impossible while it can't be proven or disproven to begin with.
That's what I'm talking about.

Vendetta · 12-06-2016

Posted by Eugeen

It's the fact you guys are claiming someones believe to be impossible.
You can believe whatever you want, it's not up to you to tell someone their believe is impossible while it can't be proven or disproven to begin with.
That's what I'm talking about.

I don't think that's what anyone is saying. Of course it's possible, it's just incredibly unlikely and all the information points to it being something psychological rather than something supernatural. Anyone is able to create a theory and without evidence there's no reason to suggest that this one is more plausible than any other.

PigParty · 12-06-2016

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say not everyone's beliefs are possible. Lol you keep calling me closed-minded just because I argued your theory. You can't prove or disprove that I shape-shift into Donald Trump but simply don't remember it. Therefore I am actually the President-elect of the United States. I'm not trying to be mean but you keep trying to just say I'm closed-minded and that I have no right to argue a baseless theory. Sure, if you want to debate alternate realities, I'm game. Could be a good what-if debate (if you can handle a debate), but when you come up with alternate realities as an explanation for people thinking it's Looney Toons instead of Looney Tunes, that's when I'm going to try to rebut your theory.

I mean, forums are designed to create discussion. If you seriously can't stand people arguing against your theory, then you shouldn't have posted it. Seems like you're just as closed-minded as we are, huh?

Eugeen · 12-06-2016

Yeah but you keep stating I'm coming up with these things while I've stated I haven't, you act like I have to prove these things to you while I had no intend to do so from the start to anyone.
I personally don't think it leads to alternate realities at all but I do find the idea interesting and I'm not saying that can't be true because it very well could be even if I don't believe in it.

You can not simply say someones believes are untrue simply because you feel like there has to be evidence. That's like debunking christianity because they believe someone was the son of god.
No way to prove either things and both things sound ridiculous to certain individuals yet that gives them no rights to act like they are disproving it based on the fact there's no evidence, it doesn't give them the right to act to know it better or know the truth.
Even if a theory sounds impossible, if just one person believes it then why do you think you know it better than said person?

The thread was created to inform people of this theory and the fact that a lot of people believe in the mandela effect.
Also to create discussion on the topic and not for some people to act like they know it better simply because it sounds impossible to them.

If you think you can shapeshift into donald trump then I will believe that you think that is the truth.
It'd be dumb for me to want to debunk your ideals as how would I ever know it isn't true even if it sounds ridiculous?

Do you see what I'm getting at?
You can in no way disprove believes as they aren't factual things.
Hence why I threw terms at you like close-minded and biased as that's literally what your posts were.

Your posts on this thread would have been more than welcome but the fact you entirely claim things to be fake or untrue isn't since you don't know the truth.
I know I said I wouldn't bother discussing it further but I'm a bit stubborn, being human and all.
Also lets be honest, look at your first post in the thread without your own believes and opinion in mind, then tell me you were just here to discuss it without being biased at all.

5hift · 12-06-2016

Guys, c'mon.

Its Berenstein not Berensh*tstain.

Don't ruin my childhood for me.

PigParty · 12-06-2016

I never cared for you to prove it. I did expect some reasoning behind the belief, but I guess that doesn't exist. I just tried to disprove it. I can easily say people's beliefs are wrong if they're plainly wrong beliefs. I'm sorry. If I had known that this would have been a Conquest-styled thread, then I wouldn't have taken it seriously.

Colin · 12-06-2016

Posted by Eugeen

But what if thousands or even millions of people remembered it the same way yet it is actually different?

Considering our global population is seven-billion, that's a relatively small percentage.

Even if one-hundred million people were to think something was right when it wasn't that is still only about 1.50% of our population.

I don't understand your examples either :
Kit-Kat -> KitKat
Looney Toons -> Looney Tunes

Most people don't pay attention to the logos so thinking it is KitKat makes complete sense, and Toons and Tunes sounds the same so it is easy for people to mix it up especially considering for most people it has been years since watching it.

They aren't "false memories" it's called human error, just like half of the people on the forums can see how things are spelled and still spell it wrong.

Bowlich · 12-06-2016

Wait. Are we having an epistemological and metaphysical argument? Hot damn. Let's put that philosophy degree to use.

Much wiser minds then mine have worked on this topic. Might I suggest starting Kant's Critique of Pure Reason

In general, the burden of proof falls upon the positive affirm-er of a truth. This is because outside of purely mathematical realms it is impossible to prove a negative Truth. This is not to be confused with proving an overwhelming probability of negation which can, and is frequently done and for most pragmatic purposes is considered sufficient. But if you are to say this or that is true then it is assumed that this assertion is made with Reason born out of either empirical observation or derived from some first principles that could be confirmed by any rational mind.

This is true of any appeal to truth. If you reduce your affirmation down to a statement that people belief it, you have committed the fallacy of argumentum ad populum. If you reduce your affirmation down to a statement that you believe it, then you do not have truth, but an opinion. If you don't think that it's an opinion, then you are solipsist.

As for the Mandela effect and whether we exist in multiple collapsing realities that form some kind of average? I am sure that given sufficient energy and time we might make the proof that such is or is not. Just as we are working on the simulation problem (do we exist in the Matrix?). Like the simulation problem absolute truth will probably not be attainable. We will probably need to resort to a statistical model of the probability that multiple realities exist. I imagine it will probably take a score of Phd's a lifetime to produce such a proof.

Eugeen · 12-06-2016

Posted by Colin

Considering our global population is seven-billion, that's a relatively small percentage.

Even if one-hundred million people were to think something was right when it wasn't that is still only about 1.50% of our population.

I don't understand your examples either :
Kit-Kat -> KitKat
Looney Toons -> Looney Tunes

Most people don't pay attention to the logos so thinking it is KitKat makes complete sense, and Toons and Tunes sounds the same so it is easy for people to mix it up especially considering for most people it has been years since watching it.

They aren't "false memories" it's called human error, just like half of the people on the forums can see how things are spelled and still spell it wrong.

I just listed some examples of mandela effect experiences that people have experienced.
I do think this could easily be human error but it is not up to us to decide wether it is or not as things like these are beyond our knowledge.

Lets do a memory test everyone.
Imagine in your mind what C-3PO from Star Wars looks like.
Now open the spoiler below to show what he looks like now.

Spoiler

Doesn't have to be proof but gotta admit it's pretty weird as in even some star wars games he's been different
also a disclaimer, this was discovered before the force awakens movie was released but the appearance of c3po has been different the past year('s) according to some people.

Flix · 12-06-2016

*Sorry if somebody else wrote this*
I think it just means our brain going along with everybody else. One year ago I was pretty sure I got this answer right but the teacher said I was wrong. One week later my teacher apologized and said she got it wrong. Everybody thought she was right becuase she has a lot of power in the class and I don't have any. Maybe a famous person said something like the examples and every one agreed. The Madela Effect might have two sides. 1. Listening to other people and going with the flow. 2. Our brain just thinks: eh, this sounds better.

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Eugeen Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,173	You're basically saying religion is false too because there's no evidence either. The bible was written by humans so that's not proof. Yet millions of people devote their lives to religion and if they believe in it then I don't see anything wrong with that. Believes don't require evidence. Not everything in life can be scientifically proven especially not our existence.

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PigParty PigParty🐷 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: PigPen Posts: 2,913	I'm gonna go out on a limb and say not everyone's beliefs are possible. Lol you keep calling me closed-minded just because I argued your theory. You can't prove or disprove that I shape-shift into Donald Trump but simply don't remember it. Therefore I am actually the President-elect of the United States. I'm not trying to be mean but you keep trying to just say I'm closed-minded and that I have no right to argue a baseless theory. Sure, if you want to debate alternate realities, I'm game. Could be a good what-if debate (if you can handle a debate), but when you come up with alternate realities as an explanation for people thinking it's Looney Toons instead of Looney Tunes, that's when I'm going to try to rebut your theory. I mean, forums are designed to create discussion. If you seriously can't stand people arguing against your theory, then you shouldn't have posted it. Seems like you're just as closed-minded as we are, huh?

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5hift ✔️TURBO✔️VERIFIED✔️ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Larunda Relay Posts: 6,481	Guys, c'mon. Its Berenstein not Berensh*tstain. Don't ruin my childhood for me.

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Bowlich Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Damasca Posts: 17	Wait. Are we having an epistemological and metaphysical argument? Hot damn. Let's put that philosophy degree to use. Much wiser minds then mine have worked on this topic. Might I suggest starting Kant's Critique of Pure Reason In general, the burden of proof falls upon the positive affirm-er of a truth. This is because outside of purely mathematical realms it is impossible to prove a negative Truth. This is not to be confused with proving an overwhelming probability of negation which can, and is frequently done and for most pragmatic purposes is considered sufficient. But if you are to say this or that is true then it is assumed that this assertion is made with Reason born out of either empirical observation or derived from some first principles that could be confirmed by any rational mind. This is true of any appeal to truth. If you reduce your affirmation down to a statement that people belief it, you have committed the fallacy of argumentum ad populum. If you reduce your affirmation down to a statement that you believe it, then you do not have truth, but an opinion. If you don't think that it's an opinion, then you are solipsist. As for the Mandela effect and whether we exist in multiple collapsing realities that form some kind of average? I am sure that given sufficient energy and time we might make the proof that such is or is not. Just as we are working on the simulation problem (do we exist in the Matrix?). Like the simulation problem absolute truth will probably not be attainable. We will probably need to resort to a statistical model of the probability that multiple realities exist. I imagine it will probably take a score of Phd's a lifetime to produce such a proof.

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Flix Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 28	Sorry if somebody else wrote this I think it just means our brain going along with everybody else. One year ago I was pretty sure I got this answer right but the teacher said I was wrong. One week later my teacher apologized and said she got it wrong. Everybody thought she was right becuase she has a lot of power in the class and I don't have any. Maybe a famous person said something like the examples and every one agreed. The Madela Effect might have two sides. 1. Listening to other people and going with the flow. 2. Our brain just thinks: eh, this sounds better.