Had a debate going on in Classic section but got deleted cuz it wasn't the right place to debate but i wanted to know what you guys thought about it.  

i dont really know really, i certainly dont mind it if its for the safety of our country


watch everyone start calling me racist  

Posted by Aftermath :3

i dont really know really, i certainly dont mind it if its for the safety of our country


watch everyone start calling me racist

How will it protect you?  

How about improving the TSA instead of just straight up barring people from traveling?

The TSA is about the biggest waste of human life I can think of. Their protocols are so non-streamlined yet **** like the attack at the Hollywood airport in Fort Lauderdale still managed to happen.

If you guys want safety then how about bringing it up with the people who's job it is to provide it instead of just making it harder for random people to do anything.  

Posted by Strum

How will it protect you?

well i mean there are definitely good people around the world i think i'd be safer to just be safe than sorry and something bad possibly happen  

Posted by Aftermath :3

well i mean there are definitely good people around the world i think i'd be safer to just be safe than sorry and something bad possibly happen

Are you talking about blocking terrorists coming on US territory?  

Posted by Strum

Are you talking about blocking terrorists coming on US territory?

well shouldnt that be the point of a travel ban? to make sure no one dangerous gets in the country?  

Posted by Aftermath :3

well shouldnt that be the point of a travel ban? to make sure no one dangerous gets in the country?

The thing is that none of the perpetrators of the major US terrorist attacks carried out in the name of Islam in the past 15 years have come from the nations on that list. In fact, the country home to the biggest number of terrorists who have carried out successful attacks inside the US is the US itself.  

I normally don't feel qualified to weigh in about politics, but from what I've gathered, the executive order has been temporarily halted after being sued by the Attorney General of Washington state.
There isn't much new that has happened in the last few days as we are awaiting the case to start.

sorry if any of this is wrong  

I think the law that Trump used is unconstitutional because it provides limitless authority to break any law due to national security. It doesn't provide any place to test what qualifies as national security. That's why the court system is doing its job and checking the executive branch and its use of power.  

Posted by Strum

The thing is that none of the perpetrators of the major US terrorist attacks carried out in the name of Islam in the past 15 years have come from the nations on that list. In fact, the country home to the biggest number of terrorists who have carried out successful attacks inside the US is the US itself.

It is not just about terrorist attacks that have happened in the U.S a good majority of countries on the list are terrorism hot spots.

What would you consider American citizens having their heads cut off and shown to everyone on video? Are you not going to count it as terrorism because it didn't happen on US soil but instead has happened in some of the countries on that list?

It's a 90-day travel ban and 120-day refugee ban and there is definitely reasoning behind it, he has in the works plans to fight terrorism over there and also working on the vetting system the US currently has in place.

Surely you can see why he is not going to allow people in when he declares these kinds of changes.  

Whenever I think of issues like these, concerning who can come into the U.S., I think of the whole land of the free and opportunity bit. We're supposed to be a place where people can make a better life for themselves. However, I do think that there should be a better filter for people coming in than what we have now. I'm not super knowledgeable of all the circumstances around these issues, but this is just my opinion.

People who come into the U.S. illegally sometimes are just looking for a better life, and some have very different intentions. However, keeping all of them out isn't exactly fair to those who come and work hard and have made good choices. I wish there was some sort of system for that, but it's hard to check someone's intentions.

On another note, changes can still be made to Trump's decision. I'm not in favor of Trump or this decision in general, but it can be changed and edited to be a better filter. (example: they changed it so that green-card holders aren't affected by the ban)

By the way I didn't really read a lot of the posts above this so sorry if this has already been said or annoys all of you  

 

Obama uses questionable executive orders-- everyone's like "wait, he can do that?..", but for the most part everyone lets it slide.
Trump uses questionable executive orders-- massive protests and unrelenting backlash; the number of times he's called a "racist" multiplies; issue is brought to court

IMO the only mistake made in the order was giving preference to Christian refugees over Muslims Not sure if this is even true; only worsens the political statement people perceive; doesnt make logical sense; theres no way to objectively distinguish religion; and its kinda a 1st amendment issue.  

Posted by Colin

What would you consider American citizens having their heads cut off and shown to everyone on video? Are you not going to count it as terrorism because it didn't happen on US soil but instead has happened in some of the countries on that list?
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At some point when ypi travel around the world you should know that some countries arenmore dangerous than others and that you should go at your own risk (and getting your head cut like nevet happens if you're a tourist)

And how unfair is it for people that want to leave their country because of war and you guys just closing your doors because you don't want a terrorist to be one of them.In Germany, in 2016, over 1.1 milion refugees we're allowed and not one terrorist attack from one of them.These guys are just trying to find a life for themselves and for their kids and you guys just act selfish, they are in hell while you guys are on your couch watching tv.