Graal has competitions for gfx stuff and only initiative members know and are allowed to participate.
apparently you are only a good gfx that can participate if you are in the initiative family, and only members can make accounts on their forum.
its not about your GFX ability that solely determines if you are recruited, ask Pimpsy, he got forced out of it despite his skill. players that dont want to deal with a guild cant participate, in fact even if your work has been used in a game update, they can still bar you from participating because of a guild, when all guilds are supposed to be equal.


yet the initiative was made so players could participate and learn how to make their graphics better....
come on, get rid of the initiative guilds, make it for all players, tell everyone about the contest and let all players have a chance, let all gfx join on the forum.

this is just shameful such a thing is allowed to go on.
if you really think your graphics are good, you should have no problem letting other players participate. with the forum anyone could sign in and get help there. we could see projects, and submit, everyone could be able to do it, regardless of our past history.

i say let everyone participate like it should have been, without having any bias.  

I think that the Initiative is a good way for Classic iPhone to find good graphics admins, and plus it's fun for everybody in the guild. There's other competitions like Azrael's hat contest, too, and those are open to the public. If you want to participate why not try to join?

Plus, didn't Pimpsy get mad at you last time you tried to fight for him to get back in?

You have a few points that might be valid, but I'm not going to support you because you just insulted about ten of my friends.  

Mostly what Mattkan said in his first paragraph is my answer. I love the Initiative, i've been in Canvas since November 2011 and I don't want my membership to end now because of some silly complaint. If you want your work uploaded you can enter public graphics contest or email your work to iClassic.  

well when i posted this on my facebook he agreed and was agreeing with it, plus they can still find good graphics admins out of all the gfxers of graal, and everybody can have fun, the way it is now only the hand picked elites can participate and have fun,

you shouldnt have to join, the initiative was supposed to be made to allow ALL players to have the ability to participate and learn how to gfx, there was nothing about guilds, the entire mission of the project has be misused.

no guilds should be "better" and have perks that others cant get.

allowing everyone to participate can only do good, players that are in the initiative just show how much they love the special treatment when they fight against this, if they were really that good, and if they really were only focused on getting better, allowing everyone to participate would be good right?

Posted by Cigam

Mostly what Mattkan said in his first paragraph is my answer. I love the Initiative, i've been in Canvas since November 2011 and I don't want my membership to end now because of some silly complaint. If you want your work uploaded you can enter public graphics contest or email your work to iClassic.

all contests should be public, nothing makes members of a guild special, there is not "membership", everyone could still particiapate, all it would do is allow everyone to be able to do what you are able to do, it would only make it fair, you could make a guild and recruit your friends and not get any special perks or bias just like every other player.

are you really going to argue that you deserve special treatment and that other players being able to participate affects you negatively?

Posted by MattKan

You have a few points that might be valid, but I'm not going to support you because you just insulted about ten of my friends.

its not really the members fault as it is triggers and whoever designed it so it would be this elitest way.  

Well they want players that know a good amount of graphics-making information and have some skill at graphics to start with. Look, I was horrible when I first joined back in November and i've improved so much. They recruit people with different graphics skills, but you need to have a good enough graphics skill to join so you at least know what your doing.  

https://www.facebook.com/higbeythede...98286523547470
for some points made on facebook post.  

Posted by Higbey

its not really the members fault as it is triggers and whoever designed it so it would be this elitest way.

You're like talking directly to the members, who are my friends:

Posted by Higbey

this is just shameful such a thing is allowed to go on.
if you really think your graphics are good, you should have no problem letting other players participate. with the forum anyone could sign in and get help there. we could see projects, and submit, everyone could be able to do it, regardless of our past history.

 

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Posted by MattKan

You're like talking directly to the members, who are my friends.

 

Posted by Cigam

Well they want players that know a good amount of graphics-making information and have some skill at graphics to start with. Look, I was horrible when I first joined back in November and i've improved so much. They recruit people with different graphics skills, but you need to have a good enough graphics skill to join so you at least know what your doing.

how is that any excuse? of the forum was open to everyone then anyone could improve too, people could learn the basics, and those who are rather good at it but dont want/cant to join some guild can still participate,

there is absolutly no excuse for how a select few picked by staff for a guild should be able to do what everyone else cant, theres no significant downside to letting everyone participate.

i think the decision is clear.  

Posted by Higbey

how is that any excuse? of the forum was open to everyone then anyone could improve too, people could learn the basics, and those who are rather good at it but dont want/cant to join some guild can still participate,

there is absolutly no excuse for how a select few picked by staff for a guild should be able to do what everyone else cant, theres no significant downside to letting everyone participate.

i think the decision is clear.

Actually many of the members aren't even picked by staff. I know one of the choosers is iNana and he isn't staff.

This kind of goes with the idea that there's tons of opportunities out there, but you can't just sit around and expect them to show up at your doorstep. You can easily seek out entrance into the guild if you want to participate (and this goes for anybody), but you can't just sit around and expect to get involved.  

Posted by MattKan

Actually many of the members aren't even picked by staff. I know one of the choosers is iNana and he isn't staff.

This kind of goes with the idea that there's tons of opportunities out there, but you can't just sit around and expect them to show up at your doorstep. You can easily seek out entrance into the guild if you want to participate (and this goes for anybody), but you can't just sit around and expect to get involved.

It's staff who get the final say. Say with me or Pimpsy. Even if inana recruited us the staff would kick us for reasons that have nothing to do with the point of the mission.

Once again I ask, why would the current system be better if in the way I came up with everyone can participate. Theres no downside. Only reasons to do it, no reasons not to.

Everyone that wants to should be able to. No guild should be given special advantages.

I dont understand why anyone unbiased would think it would be bad. In fact if iniative members enjoy having people help them improve and like doing the contests wouldn't they think it's fair for everyone to be able to do it too? Regardless of a silly guild family that wasn't even part of the project initially?  

Note to self: Dont talk to higbey about your views on a matter because without asking he will put you on the spotlight in one of his rant threads that pretty much disrespects a lot of people.  

You supported me on Facebook and you are actual proof. They cant really say you were forced out due to gfx stuff if your now a gfx on iera.  

The guild is open for ANYONE to JOIN. Its not like its some closed off super exclusive guild. And seeing the skill level of some of the members the bar isn't set high, you could easily join. Also you don't have to wear the tag, so 'dealing' with a guild is a non-issue.

that's just from my past experience with that guild.

And nobody is stopping Azrael or any other admin from holding their own contests.  

Posted by Higbey

It's staff who get the final say. Say with me or Pimpsy. Even if inana recruited us the staff would kick us for reasons that have nothing to do with the point of the mission.

Once again I ask, why would the current system be better if in the way I came up with everyone can participate. Theres no downside. Only reasons to do it, no reasons not to.

Everyone that wants to should be able to. No guild should be given special advantages.

I dont understand why anyone unbiased would think it would be bad. In fact if iniative members enjoy having people help them improve and like doing the contests wouldn't they think it's fair for everyone to be able to do it too? Regardless of a silly guild family that wasn't even part of the project initially?

Well yeah, staff would kick you out because you've insulted them ten times over. And anybody's allowed to join except a few people like Pimpsy for valid reasons, and it seems like they don't want you to support them either.

So... what's the point of this thread?