I get how some people don't like the idea because their theory is "OMG THIS CAN BE ABUSED AND YOU CAN JUST RECRUIT NOOBS AND NOT LET THEM TALK AND THEN THEY ARE YOUR SLAVES," but I don't think you're considering that they have the option of leaving or just not joining your guild

I also suggested that this permission be ticked by default (or worded as "disable guild chat" and unticked), so I just feel like a guild leader should be able to control their guild

I'm fine just not recruiting people who are spammy and crazy, but I feel like this would be cool and might help guilds function during towers and GSTs  

Posted by Thallen

I get how some people don't like the idea because their theory is "OMG THIS CAN BE ABUSED AND YOU CAN JUST RECRUIT NOOBS AND NOT LET THEM TALK AND THEN THEY ARE YOUR SLAVES," but I don't think you're considering that they have the option of leaving or just not joining your guild

I don't think you're considering that you have the option to kick/block them.

If you really aren't using them as your slaves or whatever, then just kick them.  

Posted by Common Sense

I don't think you're considering that you have the option to kick/block them.

Nah, you're being very narrow-minded about the purpose of this functionality
You're treating it as if it's some "player punishment" feature when it's giving a leader control and and order over their guild (which they should have)

I've given examples already in this thread, but here's another two:

• A tower guild attempting to take more than one tower, only giving leads or assigned players the option of using guild chat to make it a more organized experience
• A GST guild, perhaps one that participates in both tournaments, wanting there to be less spam during the tournament when they might not always be available to communicate that (since actively sparring)

Also, blocking a player in a guild isn't a one-way functionality like it is in PMs - they can't see your messages if you block them, so it literally makes organizing the guild an even more difficult experience

Posted by Common Sense

If you really aren't using them as your slaves or whatever, then just kick them.

Or I could just remove their permission to use guild chat?
You're not explaining how your alternative is better and that's generally what you have to do when you're arguing against something

If your stance is really "guild leaders should not be offered a full level of control over their guild" then I don't understand that at all
I'm not being rude with that comment if that's how it seems at all BTW, I just genuinely don't understand how someone could be against giving a guild leader full control over their own guild  

Posted by Thallen

"guild leaders should not be offered a full level of control over their guild"

I guess being able to recruit and kick people isn't enough power.

This suggestion is very bad because you can easily solve all these problems by doing one thing: kicking them.

If you don't want to hear what someone has to say, kick them or block them.

And I don't see how removing guild chat privileges from someone will make things more "organized," you will just be spammed with "PLEASE THALLEN LET ME TALK IN GUILD CHAT PLEASE"  

not taking sides but guild members would most likely be mistreated with this option just because guild leaders would want to only speak to their "friends". So i'd rather stick to the kicking or blocking.  

It's annoying to have to tell the people who are new to the guild what the expectations are. I agree with the concept of limited guild-broadcast messages, but maybe a middle ground is just to put it as a rule in your guild news (non-leads using guild chat get kicked) or something..? The issue there is that the people who would be jumping on guild chat to talk about their amazing bag lunch for school (or whatever 8 year olds talk about) probably wouldn't know how to navigate to the guild news anyway...  

I agree but disagree with this option. For the most part this will limit very talkative players who distract others from doing their job but in some cases this will decrease the communication aspect of towering which is highly needed. It's not only new recruits that are "spam-a-holics" but a leaders friend's can do the same also.  

I really dont see The problem with this idea.
Some guilds wants to focus on other things than chat and for those guilds this is Great.
Its an option for guilds to work The way The leader wants, if you need to guild chat, there are plenty of guilds for that.  

Posted by Zerxus

I really dont see The problem with this idea.
Some guilds wants to focus on other things than chat and for those guilds this is Great.
Its an option for guilds to work The way The leader wants, if you need to guild chat, there are plenty of guilds for that.

The reason I don't like it is because:

1) All the problems/situations Thallen listed can easily be solved by blocking/kicking the person.

2) If someone is being annoying and you still want them to work for you but you don't want to hear them talk, that's basically like slavery. You can't just expect to recruit someone and make them work for you but not allow them to talk. If that happened to me I would immediately leave the guild.

3) A bunch of guild leaders who tower will probably only allow their friends to talk.

4) It will in result in members spamming the leader "PLEASE LET ME TALK IN GUILD CHAT PLEASE PLEASE"

Thallen gave an example earlier:

Posted by Thallen

Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Thallen: Hey Livid, you're an active contributor to this guild, but sometimes you're annoying and making it hard for the guild to function when you spam guild chat. Could you please stop?
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Thallen removes your guild chat permission

So, what's so bad about that?

Ok first of all, you can block/kick him. But since apparently you don't like the thought of losing help for guild, you'd rather just take away his privilege to talk in the guild chat.

This is basically how I saw it:

Livid: spamming Thallen for the hat even though apparently he is an "active contributor" to the guild. (if he really was why would he be spamming for the hat?)

Thallen: Hey Livid. You're doing a really good job of helping me reach my goal and I really appreciate the help, but since you're doing something that I could easily solve by kicking or blocking you, I'm going to remove your guild chat option. But I still want you to help and defend and keep working for my guild, but you shouldn't be able to talk in the guild chat because I don't want you to. But I don't want to kick you either because I still want the free labor for my guild. So basically you're going to be my slave.

Also I see this option being a liability when it comes to towering, a big part of towering is communication. How is one supposed to warn people that a guild is beginning to attack if they can't use guild chat? How is one supposed to spam "FLAG" when they're the only one who isn't AFK in the flag room?  

This makes you sound like somebody who duct tapes a child's mouth shut and doesn't let them speak unless you want them to.  

Posted by Craftz1

This makes you sound like somebody who duct tapes a child's mouth shut and doesn't let them speak unless youwant them to.

What a simple way to put it, but yeah yoy dont need to shut a player up but taking their rights away, im sure the amendments still follow in-game.  

You already have the power to kick/block and so does everyone else, if you don't want people spamming use what you have that's in front of you not suggest a ridiculous idea, and lets be realistic "PLS GIVE ME HAT" is not going to be spammed over guild chat but over private messages.  

Posted by Livid

the amendments still follow in-game

Posted by Striken

ridiculous idea, and lets be realistic

LOLing  

Posted by Thallen

LOLing

Just because you see it as a good reason, doesn't mean others do. Nonetheless if staff likes the idea they'll add it in, if not they won't and don't even try convincing them. You already ruined the spar points system so don't try and ruin how socialize.  

I don't see this ever being added.