"Guild Chat" Permission - 2

Thallen · 08-13-2014

Posted by CM CM

How is a new player supposed to enjoy towering when they can't even participate in one of the most important aspects when defending and attacking: communication?

Again, I don't understand why you're narrowing this down to "new players." If your pessimistic example was the case, then why would that player remain in the guild? Why wouldn't they just leave?

Posted by CM CM

You're basically just using them by recruiting them, telling them to sit somewhere and then making them unable to even talk to anyone in the guild chat. I don't know what your definition of "fun" is, but that definitely is not fun.

I don't understand the notion of not being able to choose what happens to your guild when there is the option to freely choose what guild you want to join. You act as if they are being trapped or forced to do something. I don't follow that at all.

If the leader of the guild would like to disable guild chat, who are you to say that they shouldn't be able to? It's their guild.

Posted by deadowl

A guild is a community. Without communication there is no community. What I would like to see is a greater visibility of guilds.

You probably haven't played iClassic enough yet to fully understand the functionality and general nature of guilds on this server. There is supposed to be communication, but there's also supposed to be structure.

When you're leading a successful tower guild and you have players (who are very young and understandably immature) sending 30 messages a second and you're trying to coordinate the guild, the current solution is to kick him. Is that really better than taking away their permission to use guild chat? I don't see how.

"I have the option to leave your guild, but you shouldn't have the option to control and tweak your guild to your own liking."
IDK, I don't understand that thought process.

Posted by Livid

This just sounds unfair, its better to stick with kicking or blocking. Then next thing you know
Thallen: Wow who didnt say he was at the flag?
Player: "You can not use guild chat"
Thallen: I bet it was that guy
Player: (Clearly saying NO I swear I was saying FLAG) " You can not use guild chat"

No, it'd be like this:
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Thallen: Hey Livid, you're an active contributor to this guild, but sometimes you're annoying and making it hard for the guild to function when you spam guild chat. Could you please stop?
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Thallen removes your guild chat permission

So, what's so bad about that?

Admiral · 08-13-2014

I think youre using examples that can be dealt with through kicking someone, I mean if someone was going to spam you for the hat they'd probably do it in PMs to not look foolish in front of other guildies.

Perhaps permissions can be enabled that restricts usage of guild chat, e.g. players can only send a message every 2 minutes, but flat - out removing their ability to talk and communicate seems a little cruel lol

CM · 08-13-2014

Posted by Thallen

Again, I don't understand why you're narrowing this down to "new players." If your pessimistic example was the case, then why would that player remain in the guild? Why wouldn't they just leave?

Posted by Thallen

Right, because new players can't enjoy or be helpful at towers?

Yeah they enjoy towering so much that they're having so much fun they leave. Again, with guild towering you have to be able to communicate with everyone. In the case where no guild is attacking, what is someone with disabled chat going to do? The way I see it, they'll just end up spamming and asking you to allow them to talk in guild chat, and I think you're trying to avoid spam. Nobody is gonna ask for the hat in guild chat 15362782 times, they're going to PM you for the hat 15362782 times.

Craftz · 08-13-2014

This is probably the worst idea I have heard in a long time. A guild is a social thing, and you shouldn't take that away from people just because you don't want to hear what they have to say.

GOAT · 08-13-2014

Posted by CM CM

Yeah they enjoy towering so much that they're having so much fun they leave. Again, with guild towering you have to be able to communicate with everyone. In the case where no guild is attacking, what is someone with disabled chat going to do? The way I see it, they'll just end up spamming and asking you to allow them to talk in guild chat, and I think you're trying to avoid spam. Nobody is gonna ask for the hat in guild chat 15362782 times, they're going to PM you for the hat 15362782 times.

i dont really think its about spam. Its more about taking this game to serious and feeling more important than one really is. Pretty much what you get with this change is you get to use poor noobs for your own purpose while not having to communicate with them. Some people feel theyre too important on this game to talk to newbies.

the sad part is that these kids are so desperate to fit in they would let someone do that to them just so they could be part of the guild.

a better option would be an option to ignore guild chat. if youre towering and know what you have to do there's no need for all the spam. It also works with other graal activities in which you want to have your tag on but dont want to hear all the spam.

meganey98 · 08-13-2014

Add ignore guild chat for an option. That sounds better.

Fire Surge · 08-14-2014

Posted by Craftz1

This is probably the worst idea I have heard in a long time. A guild is a social thing, and you shouldn't take that away from people just because you don't want to hear what they have to say.

Exactly this

deadowl · 08-15-2014

Posted by Thallen

You probably haven't played iClassic enough yet to fully understand the functionality and general nature of guilds on this server. There is supposed to be communication, but there's also supposed to be structure.

Guilds really suck on iClassic.

Posted by Thallen

When you're leading a successful tower guild and you have players (who are very young and understandably immature) sending 30 messages a second and you're trying to coordinate the guild, the current solution is to kick him. Is that really better than taking away their permission to use guild chat? I don't see how.

Right now it's basically "join my guild so we can take the tower right now," rather than "join my guild and show some loyalty."

Fire Surge · 08-15-2014

There have been talks of a "guild council" that would direct staff on where to head with guild-based updates. Let's just say that if Thallen is on it, the entire game is screwed.

Narcosis · 08-16-2014

How about they change it so that for the first 10 minutes of joining any new guild, you will not be considered a part of said guild in the event of towering. Meaning, the player would still be in the guild, but if that guild currently has control of a tower, he/she would not be considered a part of the guild as far as the game mechanics are concerned. So this player would not be able to help defend the flag, be immune to sword attacks from other guild members, or respawn in the flag room in the event of death. Just for the first 10 minutes.

That way guilds can't recruit random noobs to help them tower.

As far as the "disable guild chat" button goes, I could see it coming in handy for certain occasions, so why not.

Livid · 08-18-2014

Posted by Thallen

Again, I don't understand why you're narrowing this down to "new players." If your pessimistic example was the case, then why would that player remain in the guild? Why wouldn't they just leave?

I don't understand the notion of not being able to choose what happens to your guild when there is the option to freely choose what guild you want to join. You act as if they are being trapped or forced to do something. I don't follow that at all.

If the leader of the guild would like to disable guild chat, who are you to say that they shouldn't be able to? It's their guild.

No, it'd be like this:
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Thallen: Hey Livid, you're an active contributor to this guild, but sometimes you're annoying and making it hard for the guild to function when you spam guild chat. Could you please stop?
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Livid: THALLEN PLS GIVE ME HAT
Thallen removes your guild chat permission

So, what's so bad about that?

Whats bad is that your asking for an option thats already there: Blocking, kicking, ignoring.

freakytree · 12-30-2014

I second this

Wushen · 01-01-2015

Its a great idea. Sometimes you didnt want to kick/block the person but just want him to shut up. And if you have a guild drama, that command is so useful to shut everyone up instead of simply kicking everyone which causes even more drama.

4-Lom · 01-01-2015

Posted by Thallen

Please:

I know it probably looks like I'm trying to make the game antisocial as hell with the in-game chat visibility thing and now this, but I'm pretty sure there is no downside to having this permission added as long as it is checked by default.

"You shouldn't add people to your guild if you don't want to see their chat!"
I agree, but until staff change the way that towering works the meta will include temporary/noob recruits. It 100% shouldn't, but to compete in the current towering format you simply need to do it.

"You can just block them!"
I agree, I'm just trying to save others the headache.

It's just a quality-of-life change that I wouldn't mind seeing and wouldn't be bothered at all if it wasn't added. It would make towering and guild sparring a little more tolerable, for some of us at least.

I agree. Completely. Guild chat should be a privilege, not a right.

And we could have global chat to serve whatever other potty mouthed fart jokes that the kids would otherwise post in guild chat.

Clown · 01-01-2015

Maybe a 5-10 second cool down between guild chat messages to reduce spam? I personally don't like this idea but I see it working for some people

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Admiral Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,911	I think youre using examples that can be dealt with through kicking someone, I mean if someone was going to spam you for the hat they'd probably do it in PMs to not look foolish in front of other guildies. Perhaps permissions can be enabled that restricts usage of guild chat, e.g. players can only send a message every 2 minutes, but flat - out removing their ability to talk and communicate seems a little cruel lol

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Craftz New Age Legacy Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Graal Posts: 1,633	This is probably the worst idea I have heard in a long time. A guild is a social thing, and you shouldn't take that away from people just because you don't want to hear what they have to say.

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meganey98 Megan (Providence) Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: United States Posts: 863	Add ignore guild chat for an option. That sounds better.

08-15-2014	24
Fire Surge Hi! Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: VY Canis Majoris Posts: 246	There have been talks of a "guild council" that would direct staff on where to head with guild-based updates. Let's just say that if Thallen is on it, the entire game is screwed.

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Narcosis I Amuse Myself Join Date: May 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 694	How about they change it so that for the first 10 minutes of joining any new guild, you will not be considered a part of said guild in the event of towering. Meaning, the player would still be in the guild, but if that guild currently has control of a tower, he/she would not be considered a part of the guild as far as the game mechanics are concerned. So this player would not be able to help defend the flag, be immune to sword attacks from other guild members, or respawn in the flag room in the event of death. Just for the first 10 minutes. That way guilds can't recruit random noobs to help them tower. As far as the "disable guild chat" button goes, I could see it coming in handy for certain occasions, so why not.

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freakytree Bringer of Justice Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: da forest Posts: 223	I second this

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Wushen Wuxia Join Date: May 2014 Location: In your closet, in your head Posts: 65	Its a great idea. Sometimes you didnt want to kick/block the person but just want him to shut up. And if you have a guild drama, that command is so useful to shut everyone up instead of simply kicking everyone which causes even more drama.

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Clown Circus Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: London Posts: 2,090	Maybe a 5-10 second cool down between guild chat messages to reduce spam? I personally don't like this idea but I see it working for some people