Yeah Canada isn"t really the Holy Grail even though a lot of people act like it, we have tons of issues we just aren't rowdy people and U.S news is more entertaining the last global news I saw being reported on Canada was when someone in my town district got in a fight with his Parrot to which the police interviened, but most real news and problems tend to go under the radar.

The economy is pretty bad right now as well, so moving here is a terrible idea and moving because "I don't like Trump" is not a valid reason for us to accept your citizenship.

My friend has been dating a Texan girl he met online for about 3 years now and all of her attempts to move to Canada failed, they are marrying this summer and it is the only way she will become a citizen here.

You're going to need money, connections, or a very important work/job skill.  

Posted by Thallen

A lot of his points sound like he's reaching for low-hanging fruit that every other major news network has juiced for a headline.

For example, his response about the David Duke endorsement. He claims Donald Trump is a racist for responding to a news anchor in the way he did. Anyone can endorse Trump for whatever reason they want. He doesn't control that, and quite frankly he doesn't have to make some statement claiming he doesn't want their vote. That's exactly the kind of politically correct garbage Trump (and his supporters) don't care about. Because he won't publically claim that he doesn't want the vote of someone who is a racist means he's racist? That's very stupid. News flash for Oliver, in America people are actually given the freedom to be racist! It may not be a pretty thing, but it doesn't mean that Trump has to panic and apologize because a racist endorsed him.

Then, his statement about Trump's multiple failed business. I'm not sure how often he interviews entrepreneurs like Trump. A business failing has nothing to do with a campaign. People take risks on businesses. This guy has been involved in such a wide range of businesses that I think it's pretty clear that, at one point, he was throwing ideas at a wall and seeing what stuck. The dude has gone from real estate to side businesses like steak and vodka... Does John Oliver not think Donald Trump knows the risks of starting a business? A "failed" business isn't entirely a failure when you understand and accept the risks you're getting into. Taking chances is how you become successful. Trump is loaded right now, so how much of a failure can his businesses really be? Is Oliver under the impression that the other candidates have never failed at anything?

Thanks for your straightforward response. Honestly, I think you have great points. Americans do have the right to be racist, and definitely many successful people have infinitely more failures under their belt. However, I question if we want a racist for President?

Because that can have some serious implications, such as loss of rights for the discriminized. Many countries have become "great" by oppression of a group of people. For example, America's early success was built off of its enormous resource of slaves. And even in the past 100 years, many of our most important industrial/blue collar jobs have been completed by millions of low-paid Mexicans/Chicanos. At one point, we had an agreement with Mexico to bring even more Mexicans into America to give the manpower our nation needed. Not to mention we currently have millions of prisoners that are paid cents by the hour to do blue collar labor, which has made political figures question how different that is from slavery.

Maybe in some eyes, its best to sacrafice one group for the sake of many. It could be argued that even the forefathers thought that way. But that's not the way that I think, nor do I think further discrimination is fitting for the future of America.

Discrimination against Muslims won't stop ISIS. Their beliefs may be Islam-based, but their hatred is much more universal. If the American people focus on Muslims, ISIS will recruit people that aren't Muslim. And they already are. If we only focus on Muslim people, how many more non-Muslim ISIS members will slip from our focus? If we focus on Muslims as the enemy, I'd argue that will only weaken our own people and country.

The concerns of Trump are very real. But what angle should we solve them? Building a wall, or stopping immigrants isn't a good way to spend our resources. I'd like to believe that Trump's simple solutions would work. I am a supporter of the idea that a business-like mind can create a brilliant and functional country, and I am sick of the political bull**** that Trump often speaks of. However, I don't believe that Trump is seeing this in the right way. His solutions will only cause more social--and if he does build a wall, potentially economic--distress within our nation, which is ultimately only going to benefit ISIS.  

Posted by Latte

Thanks for your straightforward response. Honestly, I think you have great points. Americans do have the right to be racist, and definitely many successful people have infinitely more failures under their belt. However, I question if we want a racist for President?

Because that can have some serious implications, such as loss of rights for the discriminized. Many countries have become "great" by oppression of a group of people. For example, America's early success was built off of its enormous resource of slaves. And even in the past 100 years, many of our most important industrial/blue collar jobs have been completed by millions of low-paid Mexicans/Chicanos. At one point, we had an agreement with Mexico to bring even more Mexicans into America to give the manpower our nation needed. Not to mention we currently have millions of prisoners that are paid cents by the hour to do blue collar labor, which has made political figures question how different that is from slavery.

Maybe in some eyes, its best to sacrafice one group for the sake of many. It could be argued that even the forefathers thought that way. But that's not the way that I think, nor do I think further discrimination is fitting for the future of America.

Discrimination against Muslims won't stop ISIS. Their beliefs may be Islam-based, but their hatred is much more universal. If the American people focus on Muslims, ISIS will recruit people that aren't Muslim. And they already are. If we only focus on Muslim people, how many more non-Muslim ISIS members will slip from our focus? If we focus on Muslims as the enemy, I'd argue that will only weaken our own people and country.

The concerns of Trump are very real. But what angle should we solve them? Building a wall, or stopping immigrants isn't a good way to spend our resources. I'd like to believe that Trump's simple solutions would work. I am a supporter of the idea that a business-like mind can create a brilliant and functional country, and I am sick of the political bull**** that Trump often speaks of. However, I don't believe that Trump is seeing this in the right way. His solutions will only cause more social--and if he does build a wall, potentially economic--distress within our nation, which is ultimately only going to benefit ISIS.

I don't think Trump's a racist. I think he's an opportunist. I do think he should expand the Muslim ban idea to any refugee or immigrant from certain areas. I also think he would focus on getting rid of ISIS, rather than simply stagnating their growth. To me, Trump is a message, and electing him would send an even greater message to every politician. I've said before that I think he's a gamble, but it's a risk I'm personally willing to take because of the corner that the gov. has put us in.

I think profiling is important, and I wouldn't be too quick to call racial profiling, discrimination or racism. Racial profiling is part of profiling, and therefore needs to be recognized. When they are treated unjustly because of race, then it's discrimination. I don't think that banning the acceptance of a trouble area/people is necessarily unjust. It's not fair, but you can't expect everything to be fair. I do agree the problem is wider than just banning Muslims, and I hate that people actually recognize ISIS as Muslims because they aren't. It's just their excuse for what they do. Ted Cruz wants to surveil Muslim neighborhoods and patrol them more than other neighborhoods... That's discrimination and illegal. Trump said he thinks Mosques need to be surveilled... which I highly disagree with. I don't think there's intention behind those beliefs, though. They just see "problem areas" and create ideas for them.  

Posted by PigParty

I don't think Trump's a racist. I think he's an opportunist. I do think he should expand the Muslim ban idea to any refugee or immigrant from certain areas. I also think he would focus on getting rid of ISIS, rather than simply stagnating their growth. To me, Trump is a message, and electing him would send an even greater message to every politician. I've said before that I think he's a gamble, but it's a risk I'm personally willing to take because of the corner that the gov. has put us in.

I could see that-- that Trump is more of an opportunist. But that also concerns me, because his opportunist side doesn't seem to have restrictions. He seems willing to target a group of people just because it seems like a good opportunity, whether to stop terrorism or say things that aren't like what other politicians have been saying. I don't think this is a quality that is good for a leader, because it completely ignores the social issues this will create, which-- especially in the 21st century-- is warfare in its own right.

There will always be someone that gets the short end of the stick, and nobody will ever be completely happy, I get that. But with stakes as high as they are now, Trump needs to be asked at what costs do we alienate Muslims and immigrants? Electing Trump as President will send a message, but it'll send a message of discrimination and even violence. And Trump has never been the most diplomatic figure; he has always had disputes with many types of people. Our standing in the world may become very different from how it is now.

He is a gamble, and he is a protest canidate from how government is typically seen and run; but so far, I don't see more pro's than there are con's. His general sensitivity and compulsary "bottom line" responses to other canidates also concern me. It might be Rubio for this election, but it's not going to look good if Trump calls an actual world leader "sweaty and ugly." America is a first world country, and the strongest; as much as there is political BS in the world, we shouldn't have that kind of diplomacy. It could lead to really bad consequences on every front, considering the US needs world trade, not just our internal economy. And saying that Trump might clean up his act for when he's President is a gamble in itself.

With those odds, it's not the type of gamble I'd take.  

Posted by DanteGraal

Not easy to just move to Canada. For the most part, you either need a lot of money, or have a job offer already.

Im prepared, but its not like I actually want to go or its any better than were I currently live in america.  

I would also reserve final judgement until the general election, as on either end of the spectrum the candidates have to appeal to the extremes in order to win their respective primaries. We may get more insight in the rhetoric of Trump and Hillary later.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Bye bye. Have fun ****ing up another country

Most places are ****ed up in their own way already mate, and idk what you're getting at.  

Posted by Latte

I could see that-- that Trump is more of an opportunist. But that also concerns me, because his opportunist side doesn't seem to have restrictions. He seems willing to target a group of people just because it seems like a good opportunity, whether to stop terrorism or say things that aren't like what other politicians have been saying. I don't think this is a quality that is good for a leader, because it completely ignores the social issues this will create, which-- especially in the 21st century-- is warfare in its own right.

There will always be someone that gets the short end of the stick, and nobody will ever be completely happy, I get that. But with stakes as high as they are now, Trump needs to be asked at what costs do we alienate Muslims and immigrants? Electing Trump as President will send a message, but it'll send a message of discrimination and even violence. And Trump has never been the most diplomatic figure; he has always had disputes with many types of people. Our standing in the world may become very different from how it is now.

He is a gamble, and he is a protest canidate from how government is typically seen and run; but so far, I don't see more pro's than there are con's. His general sensitivity and compulsary "bottom line" responses to other canidates also concern me. It might be Rubio for this election, but it's not going to look good if Trump calls an actual world leader "sweaty and ugly." America is a first world country, and the strongest; as much as there is political BS in the world, we shouldn't have that kind of diplomacy. It could lead to really bad consequences on every front, considering the US needs world trade, not just our internal economy. And saying that Trump might clean up his act for when he's President is a gamble in itself.

With those odds, it's not the type of gamble I'd take.

I completely agree with everything you said. I wish there was a business person who doesn't deal with PC that was classy and diplomatic running for President, but there isn't. I like a lot of Trump's ideas, but he does publicize them for media attention a lot. He says he can be more diplomatic and Presidential for the general election, which I doubt, but I really wish he would be. I can't honestly vote for someone else, though, and think that they will actually differentiate themselves from the establishment and get stuff done. At least when I vote for Trump, I know there is a chance that he can get stuff done. That's why a lot of Trump supporters don't care what Trump does or says. They have unconditional support for him basically, and it mostly has to do with the establishment, rather than with Trump. That's my belief anyways.  

Posted by PigParty

I completely agree with everything you said. I wish there was a business person who doesn't deal with PC that was classy and diplomatic running for President, but there isn't. I like a lot of Trump's ideas, but he does publicize them for media attention a lot. He says he can be more diplomatic and Presidential for the general election, which I doubt, but I really wish he would be. I can't honestly vote for someone else, though, and think that they will actually differentiate themselves from the establishment and get stuff done. At least when I vote for Trump, I know there is a chance that he can get stuff done. That's why a lot of Trump supporters don't care what Trump does or says. They have unconditional support for him basically, and it mostly has to do with the establishment, rather than with Trump. That's my belief anyways.

Checks and balances  

Posted by Ivy

Checks and balances

People say that but it doesn't work out the same as one would think in modern day politics. Especially with the current and growing power of agencies. Practically a 4th branch of government.  

Posted by Latte

Thanks for your straightforward response. Honestly, I think you have great points. Americans do have the right to be racist, and definitely many successful people have infinitely more failures under their belt. However, I question if we want a racist for President?

Because that can have some serious implications, such as loss of rights for the discriminized. Many countries have become "great" by oppression of a group of people. For example, America's early success was built off of its enormous resource of slaves. And even in the past 100 years, many of our most important industrial/blue collar jobs have been completed by millions of low-paid Mexicans/Chicanos. At one point, we had an agreement with Mexico to bring even more Mexicans into America to give the manpower our nation needed. Not to mention we currently have millions of prisoners that are paid cents by the hour to do blue collar labor, which has made political figures question how different that is from slavery.

Maybe in some eyes, its best to sacrafice one group for the sake of many. It could be argued that even the forefathers thought that way. But that's not the way that I think, nor do I think further discrimination is fitting for the future of America.

Well, as a level-headed human, I'm going to agree with all of that, but it's relevancy to Trump is dependent on him actually being a racist. I've not seen any signs of racism from him though.

A lot of news networks and individuals are guilty of race-baiting, because it's great for ratings and spreading your message. In the video I posted earlier in the thread, some guy who represents BLM said Trump has once claimed we need to "make America white again." He's never done that.

People credit Trump as a racist for wanting to build the wall. That's not racism. Trump wants to keep out illegal immigrants. I really can't even wrap my brain around how someone can find issue with that. Are we really so self-loathing that we're afraid to uphold a legal process and protect our country at the risk of being called a racist by someone who's ignorant? I don't even care about the wall, if he does or doesn't build it. What I like about Trump is he is not afraid of talking about the issue in clear language. He addresses them as illegal immigrants and he says they need to stay out or come in legally, and that's how it should be.

Posted by Latte

Discrimination against Muslims won't stop ISIS. Their beliefs may be Islam-based, but their hatred is much more universal. If the American people focus on Muslims, ISIS will recruit people that aren't Muslim. And they already are. If we only focus on Muslim people, how many more non-Muslim ISIS members will slip from our focus? If we focus on Muslims as the enemy, I'd argue that will only weaken our own people and country.

The concerns of Trump are very real. But what angle should we solve them? Building a wall, or stopping immigrants isn't a good way to spend our resources. I'd like to believe that Trump's simple solutions would work. I am a supporter of the idea that a business-like mind can create a brilliant and functional country, and I am sick of the political bull**** that Trump often speaks of. However, I don't believe that Trump is seeing this in the right way. His solutions will only cause more social--and if he does build a wall, potentially economic--distress within our nation, which is ultimately only going to benefit ISIS.

Personally, I don't buy into the rants about ISIS recruitment. "You can't say that, ISIS will use it as propaganda." I don't like hearing that. I don't want to be told that we can't say something because a terrorist group might use it against us. That's succumbing to terrorism. We should not allow them to censor us and call them by exactly what they are, which is an Islamic terrorist group.

ISIS is evil and Islam is not good. There is a wide distinction between the two, but neither of them represent what we want here in the West. We know that ISIS is terrible, but why are we denying what Islam itself condones? Islam represents hatred towards women. Countries controlled under Islam still publicly stone people to death. You will be murdered for being homosexual. They need to go through some sort of modernization or enlightenment, the same type of thing Christianity went through.

We are coddling Islam too much. Recent developments with those secret war papers are revealing Saudi Arabia's involvement or awareness of the 9/11 plot. This is the same country, in the same region, that does not even a forth of what we do to fight ISIS. They're absolutely loaded too, that country is rich. We spend billions trying to stabilize these regions and then we're called mongrels because we've taken oil. Well, we should have taken it all. Now ISIS is making $40-50 million a month off of that same oil.

Muslims themselves need to realize that too many "pockets" of their religion do not represent peace in 2016. Trump is the only candidate who is willing to say it, and he's the only one willing to put a temporary stop on accepting Syrians into the US until we get this all figured out. We have a right to keep anyone out of this country if it means we are protecting our best interests.

Trump cares about America more than any candidate and he wants to see us safe. He's the only candidate that I think will prevent us from becoming the next Germany, where Merkel once had an "open-door policy" that was on track for accepting tens of thousands of Syrian immigrants. I do not want to see the US become Islamified and mutilated like many European countries are experiencing right now. If you want to call me prejudiced for that then go for it. Just remember which religion wishes death on non-believers, publicly executes Atheists, kills gay people, and makes women dress in a full-body lampshade year-round.  

Just pointing it out. The agents that vets people coming into the country is not allowed to look up the person they're vetting on social media. I find that hilarious. The person they're looking at could literally be tweeting every 5 minutes that they're with ISIS, but America isn't allowed to even look that up and use that as a reason to deny access into America.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...pplicants.html

This is the kind of PC bull **** that people are done with.  

i still want trump to win because its the most insane outcome and will be hilarious to watch unfold  

This will probably be my last post in this thread. None of you have any obligation to read this, but I want to take the time to explain why I strongly support Bernie Sanders.

First off it’s not about me or my wants. I’m an extremely privileged white male who has been spoiled by my parents for years. I’ve had the latest and greatest in technology. I had game systems when they came out. I had the iPod Touch 2nd Gen when that came out which also led me to discover Graal Classic. I have extremely supportive parents who are, and have been financially secure for as long as I have ever lived. There is nothing more I could ask for.

So why do I strongly support Bernie Sanders while opposing people like Donald Trump?

Now in one of my old neighborhoods where I had recently moved from Massachusetts to Maine, there was a city funded house for those in poverty. They were extremely trashy. No one liked them or the people living in them. The mindset was they put themselves in this situation, why should our tax money get them out?

Now my mom always loved camping. She loved buying RVs and remodeling them. Eventually that led us to go on a family road trip. The goal was to travel all of the United States. Now eventually we ended up in Florida where I live now. We purchased a house out here and are renting out a few properties we own in Maine.

Before we purchased our house however, we traveled in an RV. We met a lot of people. It was honestly an amazing experience that molded who I am today. That’s what I want to talk about. What I’ve witnessed first hand.

There are families who have nothing left. They lost their house and had to pack up their car and family and just go. Now these aren’t people receiving government benefits mind you. They aren’t even in the same state their house was in. These are people all over the country with no place to go, so they just drive.

Some of them wound up where we were staying. Now somehow one of these families managed to get a job. Who would want to hire a man who doesn’t even own a house and can barely afford to feed his family? I’ve seen kids complain to their parents that they are hungry. But why should anyone care? Their parents forced them into this situation.

Now his employers knew this was his last option. He had nowhere else to turn to, so they used him. He was working every day of the week for 12 hours a day. You could see it in him that he was dead tired. But he pushed, because he had a family he needed to take care of. I’ve seen his boss scream at him, but what can he do? He needs the money or his family is practically dead.

Eventually there was no more need for him. He had to quit his job. Guess where he is to this day? Begging for money because he needs to feed his family.

Now this is just one story, but I’ve seen countless of people struggle in poverty. I’ve had our camper broken into, and the only thing stolen? Food. I’ve seen guns get pulled in slums. I’ve seen a single dad struggle to keep his 3 kids safe and well fed. It’s a ****ty world out there. But why should we care? We are all financially secure, and are fed and clothes. We have internet access where we can discuss Donald Trump’s impressive wealth to each other.

It brings be to this quote

Posted by Fulgore

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

- John F. Kennedy

That quote is essentially telling you to not be greedy.

Are our citizens not a part of our country? Are we still living in a world where it’s killed or be killed. If you can’t keep up then you die?

Now I understand that some of you don’t care about if anyone else is starving to death.

Posted by Fulgore

To put it bluntly, and I know this will trigger so many of you coddled people, but I could not possibly care less if you get poor and starve (which will probably never happen) but I'm voting for myself. I don't think anything else should be expected of an individual. I shouldn't be seeking to better everyone else except for myself. That just isn't rational.

Now that’s fine. It’s not illegal to be a heartless asshole who doesn’t care about around 15% of your country potentially starving to death. Compassion isn’t a requirement. But the thing is these people are at the last few moments of their life. It’s nearly impossible to get out of a ****ty situation like that.

The man I mentioned before somehow managed to get a job and kept it for nearly a year. But that wasn’t enough. After working harder than I have ever worked in my life, his family is back to where they were a year ago. No money and no food.

How is it possible that in a country where we are wasting 40% of our food that has been shipped to grocery stores. This isn’t counting food that doesn’t pass inspection standards. This is completely edible food.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/22...d-report-says/

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...r-the-climate/

http://www.feedingamerica.org/about-...ood-waste.html

It makes me ask, are we not doing anything for them because we simply can’t, or because we don’t want to?

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator...raceethnicity/

https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/

http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/

It’s not about increasing government handouts. It’s about making jobs for those who aren’t as lucky as some of us actually possible to sustain a family. It’s not fair to those born into poverty. You could argue that adoption is another option, but that’s a completely different issue that I’ve gotten my foot into before. I’ve done foster care before. It’s a ****ty system that can actually cause attachment disorders to develop. It isn’t uncommon either. And the funny thing is, most who get into foster care are near the poverty line themselves because of the pay that comes with it. It’s not an issue that’s going to fix itself.

So while I’m watching privileged Americans argue how a billionaire who himself has done damage to the country while increasing his gain should be in charge of it, I think that this man doesn’t love America. None of you do. You love the capitalism. You want personal gain. You don’t love the citizens who simply just don’t want to starve to death.

The problem isn’t mexicans or how we need to invest billions into a wall that won’t actually be effective. Hell I could continue to argue how the crime rate of illegal immigrants is significantly less compared to actual residents of the United States.

But in the end all of this is pointless. Even if Bernie Sanders does somehow manage to pull off the unlikely, we would have to hope that the members of the Electoral College get drunk to the point they forget how to spell Trump. Which is unlikely since his name is plastered everywhere. By the way that’s not a joke. The members of the Electoral College often misspell names.

Maybe I’m delusional thinking this is the best way for our country to progress, but money isn’t an infinite resource. It has to come from somewhere. We are essentially condemning the lower class to die. How long does it take until poverty reaches the middle class?

It’s about increasing wages to get rid of poverty and make abled Americans work. To increase the amount of jobs in our Country so we can be more independent. The opposite of what Trump has been doing for years. Giving jobs to China.

That’s my stance. You don’t have to like it just how I don’t like your stance, but I’m hoping you can understand why I feel the way I do.  

Posted by Colin

Yeah Canada isn"t really the Holy Grail even though a lot of people act like it, we have tons of issues we just aren't rowdy people and U.S news is more entertaining the last global news I saw being reported on Canada was when someone in my town district got in a fight with his Parrot to which the police interviened, but most real news and problems tend to go under the radar.

The economy is pretty bad right now as well, so moving here is a terrible idea and moving because "I don't like Trump" is not a valid reason for us to accept your citizenship.

My friend has been dating a Texan girl he met online for about 3 years now and all of her attempts to move to Canada failed, they are marrying this summer and it is the only way she will become a citizen here.

You're going to need money, connections, or a very important work/job skill.

Well there go all my hopes and dreams out the window.