Posted by Era News

Lmao his strategy was not bad, it was probably one of the most effective armies out. I believe hitler truly could of won WWII if it wasn't for a couple of major stuff ups, he was generations ahead of his competition military wise (U-Boats for example).

Hitler was not a good leader, towards the end of his reign he started to make stupid decisions (I feel Stalingrad was a big one) even while his high ranking army officials were telling him not to do it.

LOL Hitler would have never won the war, even if he hadn't done Operation Barbarossa.
Had he conquered England, Stalin would just be waiting for him at the other side.
He would have needed supernatural luck to win against the USSR.
No, Germany did not have WMDs unlike the US and the SU was in the process of developing WMDs.
If it wasn't the USSR that would have attacked an exhausted Germany with nuclear weapons or not, the US would have nuked Berlin.
Also Hitler was already extremely lucky to his rise to power, during the 1933 voting (his party never got an absolute majority) and his failed assassination in 1938.  

Posted by Era News

Lmao his strategy was not bad, it was probably one of the most effective armies out. I believe hitler truly could of won WWII if it wasn't for a couple of major stuff ups, he was generations ahead of his competition military wise (U-Boats for example).

Hitler was not a good leader, towards the end of his reign he started to make stupid decisions (I feel Stalingrad was a big one) even while his high ranking army officials were telling him not to do it.

Stalingrad cost Germany the war along with the failure to crush Britain. However the U-Boats were used in WWI if I remember correctly and Hitler wasn't bothered with them to start with but a few admirals pushed the idea forward.  

Posted by lord greg

Stalingrad cost Germany the war

Read my post, Germany would've lost regardless if they had attacked the SU or not.  

Posted by MementoJoker

Read my post, Germany would've lost regardless if they had attacked the SU or not.

Not necessarily. America was defending its allies so if Germany had crushed Britain like France then America might have stayed out of the war. Germany was also starting to try and produce nuclear weapons and already had the deadly V1 and V2 rockets which could have turned the war in their favour. They also had the first jet fighters that if mass produced and used correctly could have defeated any air force.  

Posted by lord greg

Not necessarily. America was defending its allies so if Germany had crushed Britain like France then America might have stayed out of the war. Germany was also starting to try and produce nuclear weapons and already had the deadly V1 and V2 rockets which could have turned the war in their favour. They also had the first jet fighters that if mass produced and used correctly could have defeated any air force.

Well under Hitler's leadership they would have never won.
If Germany, with its scientific progress in 1939-40 (which surpassed a lot of nations that eventually caught up a year or two later) had attacked Britain, made a pact with the USSR which would've feared attacking Germany at the time, the US would have stayed out and the joint scientific-militaristic cooperation of the then German leader and Stalin would be very benefical and America wouldn't have dared attacking. But everything I'm stating is all probabilty and I don't think the ideologies of Stalin and of another German leader would meet halfway.
The point I'm trying to make is that Nazi Germany would have lost with the stubborness of Hitler no matter what.
Which proves that Hitler was not only failing at the end of the war but in the beginning as well.
Hitler was just an extremely lucky individual who made a lot of aweful decisions.
His rejection from art school, his life being saved in World War 1 (debatable) by a British Private, Hitlerputsch (coup), his badly written book that got famous, his failed assassination in 1938.  

Posted by MementoJoker

Well under Hitler's leadership they would have never won.
If Germany, with its scientific progress in 1939-40 (which surpassed a lot of nations that eventually caught up a year or two later) had attacked Britain, made a pact with the USSR which would've feared attacking Germany at the time, the US would have stayed out and the joint scientific-militaristic cooperation of the then German leader and Stalin would be very benefical and America wouldn't have dared attacking. But everything I'm stating is all probabilty and I don't think the ideologies of Stalin and of another German leader would meet halfway.
The point I'm trying to make is that Nazi Germany would have lost with the stubborness of Hitler no matter what.

If one of the plots to kill Hitler had worked then Germany may of had a chance unless another of the Nazis took power, some of them were more deranged in their ideas than even Hitler himself.
Nazism and communism would never have been compatible with one being far left and the other being far right so war was inevitable. Add in support for the Soviets from their allies and it was too big a nation to conquer without complete dominance in Europe.  

I see you replied before I submitted my edit, but it's alright.
The Nazis didn't have someone as influential as Hitler and chaos would have ensued if the assassination had been successful.  

Posted by MementoJoker

I see you replied before I submitted my edit, but it's alright.
The Nazis didn't have someone as influential as Hitler and chaos would have ensued if the assassination had been successful.

I see your point, all the other political leaders had been killed or arrested already so there was no one else to take over.  

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Posted by MementoJoker

LOL Hitler would have never won the war, even if he hadn't done Operation Barbarossa. Had he conquered England, Stalin would just be waiting for him at the other side. He would have needed supernatural luck to win against the USSR. No, Germany did not have WMDs unlike the US and the SU was in the process of developing WMDs. If it wasn't the USSR that would have attacked an exhausted Germany with nuclear weapons or not, the US would have nuked Berlin. Also Hitler was already extremely lucky to his rise to power, during the 1933 voting (his party never got an absolute majority) and his failed assassination in 1938.

One of Germany's biggest faults was attacking the USSR, he should of fought and crushed England first (because he most certainly would of if he had focussed his armed forces on just one front). If Germany trodded carefully so that they kept America out of the German war, he would of crushed the USSR as well, I don't know why you think the USSR was so "powerful" either, the Germans made it pretty far into Russia before they lost, and their loss was purely because of a. Hitlers stupidity (not letting his army retreat even when advised) and B. The weather.

And Stalin was a douche bag, I would of liked to see his whole army destroyed and him being killed, I think he was more twisted than Hitler and the only reason you don't hear about him being a bad guy is because he joined the allies when his country was almost destroyed.

Anyway I'm not promoting the victory of Hitler because he was one of the craziest people who ever lived, I'm just saying that he had the military power and the strategies to conquer the world, he just got to crazy at the end.

Fun fact: when the allies entered Germany he had kids as young as 12 fight for him!  

Well..history advances into Graalians.  

Posted by Cobalt

Well..history advances into Graalians.

And the obnoxious ****-posters like you trail right behind it.  

Posted by Era News

One of Germany's biggest faults was attacking the USSR, he should of fought and crushed England first (because he most certainly would of if he had focussed his armed forces on just one front). If Germany trodded carefully so that they kept America out of the German war, he would of crushed the USSR as well, I don't know why you think the USSR was so "powerful" either, the Germans made it pretty far into Russia before they lost, and their loss was purely because of a. Hitlers stupidity (not letting his army retreat even when advised) and B. The weather.

And Stalin was a douche bag, I would of liked to see his whole army destroyed and him being killed, I think he was more twisted than Hitler and the only reason you don't hear about him being a bad guy is because he joined the allies when his country was almost destroyed.

Anyway I'm not promoting the victory of Hitler because he was one of the craziest people who ever lived, I'm just saying that he had the military power and the strategies to conquer the world, he just got to crazy at the end.
Fun fact: when the allies entered Germany he had kids as young as 12 fight for him!

The power of the SU was equivalent to that of America at the time.
It aso was the largest country with an extensive amount of resources, had a huge population for the time and a myriad of well-educated scientists.
The SU had 35 million men ready for military service and a labour force of 100 million. It was also building a lot of factories to start using these resources during the war.
Its climate, size and population are war tools as well.
The only thing I can think of that they lack military wise was the experience of the soldiers and war production.
Also Hitler saw England as an annoyance, because if it weren't for them escaping at Dunkirk where he let them escape (big mistake) they'd have been conquered easier.
Hitler thought the Eastern Front had more to offer (resources, farms and free labour), so he attacked the SU after Great Purge, he knew the newly appointed lacked experience. Stalin thought Germany was busy with England and was slowly rebuilding the army.
When the Germans made the surprise attack, nobody in the SU saw it coming and they were overtaken. Stalin locked himself in a room.
The leaderless Soviets were massacred. When he came out he ordered the drafting of every male over 14 and ordered them to fight to death or get executed. The Soviets held off the Germans from entering Moscow till winter for which Hitler was unprepared (coldest winter in 100 years) and the Germans retreated which started the process of their defeat.
So Hitler and Stalin were both bad leaders and both leaders' nations were advanced (one being more than the other), yet both made lots of avoidable mistakes.  

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