Here's a proper house to the ongoing PC vs iDevice argument as to advantages, disadvantages, one being unfair, etc. I'm not putting a poll on here because obviously everyone would just choose the one they primarily use and since each have their own benefits. So, thoughts on the subject?  

Posted by Comyt

whats up with this thread? guys, if youre going to have an idevice vs PC argument, invite an actual decent idevice sparrer to fight, not some scrub PKers who dont even have 2-1 ratios. youre an embarassment to idevicekind, i cant believe youre still digging us a deeper hole, you already lost so bad.

It doesn't take over 50,000 spars to realize pc players tend to walk right through sword hits. Thanks for bringing up pk, gave me a good point. Pc players don't just spar like any other player, they pk, gs, etc. (You don't need to be sparring to see it).  

Posted by GotenGraal

It doesn't take over 50,000 spars to realize pc players tend to walk right through sword hits. Thanks for bringing up pk, gave me a good point. Pc players don't just spar like any other player, they pk, gs, etc. (You don't need to be sparring to see it).

These are all stupid claims that have no proof to back them up. I can go on and rant about how the large majority of iDevice players have terrible delay and walk through sword hits, but I know thats not because of the platform they play on.  

Isn't it possible to spar using an Xbox controller? I've heard some people synced theirs up to their PC  

Don't know why people complain about pc users.
They're not that hard to adapt to

Posted by Blueh

Isn't it possible to spar using an Xbox controller? I've heard some people synced theirs up to their PC

Yep, you can use xpadder to apply it  

Posted by Blueh

Isn't it possible to spar using an Xbox controller? I've heard some people synced theirs up to their PC

Yes. Victor Enguard doesn't play much but he spars with a PS3 controller using the joystick for movement. I used to spar on PC Graal for a while using analog on a SNES controller, began to hurt my thumb though.  

Posted by GOAT

Hopefully this is my last post here so with that i would like to ask any staff member that was involved in the seperation of the 2 gst teams why was it done.

Could be wrong I guess, but I would assume it was because iPhoners complained that PC players had an advantage and that they didn't want to spar them. So to make players happy, there are two tournaments.

That doesn't necessarily mean PC players actually do have an advantage.  

Haven't i already proved that PC has an advantage over iDevice. ****ing idiots  

Posted by Ph8

Could be wrong I guess, but I would assume it was because iPhoners complained that PC players had an advantage and that they didn't want to spar them. So to make players happy, there are two tournaments.

That doesn't necessarily mean PC players actually do have an advantage.

If this is the case someone that knows what theyre talking about be kind enough to explain how things work and why is it impossible for pc s to be faster. This will clear up the "worthless" iphone vs pc drama. Then sticky it for a reference any time a noob from now on decides to argue.  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

Too many people complained because of having PCers playing on a browser which boosts their speed. Admins wouldn't of changed it for the will of players, if so why haven't they stopped making hats and start making quests, new items that actually helps a players

Browsers are actually giant CPU hogs and they make your computer run a bit slower.. Go to the processes tab in the task manager (windows) to see for yourself. Also, as a player who doesn't really have time for the small updates, I have noticed a sharp increase in quest/actual content that was requested from players for so long. It just takes a long time to produce, which is understandable.

iPhones don't have to load add-ons, ads, plugins, etc. Browsers do. Generally speaking, most modern computers are faster than a mobile device like an iPhone, which is pretty normal. If an iPhone is slower because of its limited resources, why complain about a more powerful device with a more accurate connection to the host address? IMO, the controls are the only thing worth talking about in a PC/iDevice debate.. Which can also go either way, depending on preference.

By the way... I don't like the way you talk in most of your posts, to be honest. You speak with quite a bit of hostility. From my point of view, any point you try to prove seems much less credible, and I am inclined not to believe or agree with much of what you say. This is not usually desirable in an argument of any type. I advise you to act a little more respectful, and open your mind to both sides of the situation before you make haste to point fingers.

You are wrong, anyway. I've spoken with staff members about the change and I know the exact reason for past actions. Don't twist a story to back up your own opinion on a subject. This being said, can we please get back on topic?  

Posted by David

I hope you're not getting the impression that you're teaching anyone anything.. The burden of proof is on the believer, so if you want to go ahead and try to prove any of your empty claims, nobody is stopping you from attempting to do so. Just don't expect to find anything groundbreaking.

No, i just want to make sure that everyone knows that the Facebook app for Graalonline Classic is unfair for iOS users in sparring. Please don't act like a big shot if you beat someone in a spar using a PC ^_^. ****lords  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

Too many people complained because of having PCers playing on a browser which boosts their speed. Admins wouldn't of changed it for the will of players, if so why haven't they stopped making hats and start making quests, new items that actually helps a players

I hate for the conversation to go in this direction, but how old are you? I don't mean it in any way that I should be commended for being a 20 year-old dude who still plays this stupid game, but I'm seeing this whole discussion gradually shift away from experience (where I sure as hell have a lot more than you) and more towards understanding and intelligence (see last parenthesis).

You've made the statement several times in this thread that "browsers boost their speed." What does that even mean? What are you saying? Have you taken your first computer course in high school yet?

You've said that browsers "make your internet faster." Whaaat are you saying?

1. Your speed on Graal has nothing to do with your internet connection. All it would affect is your latency. You'd lag less, although your latency really has more to do with your distance from the server in 2013. Hello? Brain?
2. As Winter said, browsers are a huge resource hog and the dependency of running the Flash client in a browser is one that isn't exactly convenient.

Why do you even talk about things that you don't know much at all about?

Posted by Ash Ketchum

No, i just want to make sure that everyone knows that the Facebook app for Graalonline Classic is unfair for iOS users in sparring.

Cool theory, opinions don't matter, winning does. iOS users who want to spar competitively can access the game by PC or just improve. I've said this earlier in the thread though, you just continue to conveniently ignore every post I make that you have no response to but that's alright. You should try going to a bowling alley wearing bunny slippers and then cry your delicious tears about unfair the game is when everyone else is wearing bowling shoes.

Posted by Thallen

"Let's spar. You spar on whatever device you're the best on, and I'll do the same."

Explain to me how you counter that statement and use the device you or your opponent is using as a crutch and excuse.

 

Posted by Ash Ketchum

Dumbass. I'm saying browser will boost the speed. You obviously don't know anything about how browser works.

Posted by Ash Ketchum

I never said anything like "internet connection = more speed" please quote of me saying that.

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Posted by Ash Ketchum

Browsers will find a way to boost up your internet speeds

Aaand I'm done taking you seriously.  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

Dumbass. I'm saying browser will boost the speed. You obviously don't know anything about how browser works. Download cheat engine and tell me how easy it is to speed hack. People have been getting banned, just because of browsers. Because of that, the Facebook app for Graal is unfair.

LOL he still doesn't get it! Using cheatengine isn't even considered "hacking"... Even so, it will still take up more CPU and make your computer even slower. I haven't found someone using cheatengine on iClassic for a whole year now, maybe more. How about us normal people using nothing but the internet browser? Is that still unfair if we don't use cheatengine, which by the way, results in an autoban as soon as you log on?

If you really believe a browser can boost connection speed, you are horribly incorrect. Movement speed via third-party resources shouldn't even be taken into account in this discussion, because it is not legal.


Also, I can argue that iPhone players have the ability to make a fake "smurf" account to play on and have a /350 deviation rating, and shoot up to the top of the leaderboards in just a day or so. While very annoying, it also throws the rating circulation off balance and causes the leaderboards to be inaccurate repesentations of the "best sparrer". How does an iPhone player defend that?  

Graal iClassic has no auto-ban for using CheatEngine, and you still are able to use CE for speed-hacking/wall-hacking/health-hacking, it really isn't that hard if you know how to use your brain.

Posted by Winter

Also, I can argue that iPhone players have the ability to make a fake "smurf" account to play on and have a /350 deviation rating, and shoot up to the top of the leaderboards in just a day or so. While very annoying, it also throws the rating circulation off balance and causes the leaderboards to be inaccurate repesentations of the "best sparrer". How does an iPhone player defend that?

hi comyt, hi thallen