Posted by Mr.$imons

Well I nor anyone can prove you wrong, but I just play with "if he isnt real I have lost nothing, if he is you have lost everything".

Interesting how that single idea seems to be the underlying motivation behind so many people though. When I was Christian I used to have that a motivation, but now I see that the whole, "hell" thing is more of a fear tactic to keep people in than anything else.  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

Interesting how that single idea seems to be the underlying motivation behind so many people though. When I was Christian I used to have that a motivation, but now I see that the whole, "hell" thing is more of a fear tactic to keep people in than anything else.

I personally have a lot of trouble believing but try to because of the whole hell idea, Im not willing to take a risk with it.  

simon that sounds line braveheart  

Posted by Sharp Serenity

simon that sounds line braveheart

I heard it from some Asian dude who is a complete extremist about religion.  

Posted by Mr.$imons

I personally have a lot of trouble believing but try to because of the whole hell idea, Im not willing to take a risk with it.

Wait what? o.o
You try to believe because of the idea of hell? Your sentence structure makes it hard to understand what you're trying to say.  

Posted by Rexx

Wait what? o.o
You try to believe because of the idea of hell? Your sentence structure makes it hard to understand what you're trying to say.

Basically I think he's saying since they both require faith and he doesn't want to take a chance of burning for all eternity. (what a nice god though...)  

If de sun iz a ster? Y iz it round?
Athies 0 Chrisans 1
No, but in all seriousness, I admit, I cannot prove nor can I disprove God's existence.  

Posted by Derpawy

If de sun iz a ster? Y iz it round?
Athies 0 Chrisans 1
No, but in all seriousness, I admit, I cannot prove nor can I disprove God's existence.

It's pointless trying to prove any things existence. You can't prove there is a god just as much as much you can't prove your reality isn't the matrix. It's understanding what you see and making choices in it that are real, nothing else. That's why this whole religious debate is tricky. Everything's so slippery when you aren't a world class PHD genious that can fully comprehend the math behind the big bang and justify that a god isn't needed apparently. But again, science that is complicated beyond explanation (like so) is indistinguishable from magic.

Also I find it strange how you specifically targeted this thread at Christians Rexx... Theres literally hundereds of religions around the world that believe in some form of god or multiple gods..  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

It's pointless trying to prove any things existence. You can't prove there is a god just as much as much you can't prove your reality isn't the matrix. It's understanding what you see and making choices in it that are real, nothing else. That's why this whole religious debate is tricky. Everything's so slippery when you aren't a world class PHD genious that can fully comprehend the math behind the big bang and justify that a god isn't needed apparently. But again, science that is complicated beyond explanation (like so) is indistinguishable from magic.

Yes, I completely agree.  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

It's pointless trying to prove any things existence. You can't prove there is a god just as much as much you can't prove your reality isn't the matrix. It's understanding what you see and making choices in it that are real, nothing else. That's why this whole religious debate is tricky. Everything's so slippery when you aren't a world class PHD genious that can fully comprehend the math behind the big bang and justify that a god isn't needed apparently. But again, science that is complicated beyond explanation (like so) is indistinguishable from magic.

First you must accept that science is fact, which is the general consensus of most people with at least some intelligence. Science when understood makes sense and is based on set principles.
(I don't mean you personally btw, lol)

Christians (Muslims as well) believe their God is the creator and the only God in existence. What makes the Christian God any different than say the Greek Gods who we make a mockery of as we know its scientifically proven that the weather isn't controlled by "gods"
Nobody can factually make a statement one way or the other, but it's only a matter of time before science catches up, it's always progressing.  

Posted by Rexx

First you must accept that science is fact, which is the general consensus of most people with at least some intelligence. Science when understood makes sense and is based on set principles.

Christians (Muslims as well) believe their God is the creator and the only God in existence. What makes the Christian God any different than say the Greek Gods who we make a mockery of as we know its scientifically proven that the weather isn't controlled by "gods"
Nobody can factually make a statement one way or the other, but it's only a matter of time before science catches up, it's always progressing.

Okay dude hold up... Sciences explanation to the universe is fact? That's just as bad as saying Zeus is real! Theories are VERY, VERY different than facts. I probably know more about these theories than you as I have spent many years researching them as well as Christianity. . Again it's all a point of preference since its all relative and in the public eye science is far far too complicated to understand though and that's why people disregard it as insufficient , that's why there's so many religions.  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

Okay dude hold up... Sciences explanation to the universe is fact? That's just as bad as saying Zeus is real! Theories are VERY, VERY different than facts. I probably know more about these theories than you as I have spent many years researching them as well as Christianity. . Again it's all a point of preference since its all relative and in the public eye science is far far too complicated to understand though and that's why people disregard it as insufficient , that's why there's so many religions.

Maybe fact was the wrong word, if you accept science as evidence then yes it could be considered fact when all questions are answered.  

The reverse can also be applied to religion. Believers of religion accept the teachings of their holy books as factual evidence.  

Posted by Talon

The reverse can also be applied to religion. Believers of religion accept the teachings of their holy books as factual evidence.

Yes but some of the stories in the bible cannot possibly be true. Do you believe in the talking snake or a man who lived inside a whale and some how all these stories were witnessed and recorded by someone?  

I'm not saying I believe its true, I'm not saying I don't - I'd rather my religious outlook to be kept to myself. But, if they believe it, they believe it. That's their problem or choice to believe it or not. If they do, it's fact to them.