Posted by Coco88

What Furry said ^ You're not being forced to spend your money, that's your own choice, plus in a lot of other games you do need to get some things to access some places. Wether it's a game you play online or a game you play on your video game console, you get things like that..for example pokemon you can't capture any pokeon without buying the pokeballs to do it! Or maybe even Super Mario, you can't get some things without spending the gold coins you earn :o You'll find somthing like that in most games you will ever see.

those dont require real money to get, and you can earn the currency by playing, and earn a sufficient amount. that analogy doesnt work at all. stop trying to defend Stefan and Unixmad, they dont check this forum, you dont need to pretend to act like you agree with everything they do like little slaves.  

Posted by TylerMysTe

You also don't need to buy an iTunes card to get a pokeball. This is Graal we're talking about. No one can farm anymore because the spawn rate still sucks and no one ever goes to the hour places anymore because farming was ruined.

Ok maybe you don't need to buy an iTunes card for pokemon, but you do for other Apps, no? And even then *some* games you play on a game console you can purchase things using a credit card and such. Graal is not the only game that people pay for things they want, there's are tons of other games just like this.  

Posted by WarrLordd

Being able to play on your pc is a privilege. Because you have more advantages than a idevice user. If Graal client PC was to merge with facebook/iClassic they would infact need to pay more since they have a better advantage for cpu speed/processes.

we have to pay to use our own electronics? pay for advantages from being on a pc? your really starting to piss me off with all this **** your pulling from your ass trying to defend Stefan and Unixmad. just give up, no one is going to honestly believe that what is being done is right and like normal games. there is no such economy, graal is like a freaking shopping mall, it has so much more potential, and Unixmad and Stefan are wasting it, i dont know if your just defending them because its your job and your afraid of what will happen if you speak against him, or maybe you honestly believe this crap and all the analogies that dont work at all.  

Posted by Coco88

Ok maybe you don't need to buy an iTunes card for pokemon, but you do for other Apps, no? And even then *some* games you play on a game console you can purchase things using a credit card and such. Graal is not the only game that people pay for things they want, there's are tons of other games just like this.

The farming system used to be fine and no one complained. As soon as that horse update came out it p'd off a lot of people and hasn't been the same since. Yes, other apps require iTunes cards for items, but a lot of apps at least make it somewhat easy to get money. Graal it's hard just to get a single hat now a days.  

Posted by Higbey

those dont require real money to get, and you can earn the currency by playing, and earn a sufficient amount. that analogy doesnt work at all. stop trying to defend Stefan and Unixmad, they dont check this forum, you dont need to pretend to act like you agree with everything they do like little slaves.

I'm guessing you have alot of free times on your hands then if you wish to try and point that out. So even after you beat super mario in one day time you go beat it again day after day? Or try to see what sort of currency super mario gives in the entire game? Besides mario is based on 1 player this is a multiplayer game if you wish to get all the jolly good stuff w/o sharing in a process that not everyone can catch mew in pokemon. I think you should invest in a DSI or PSP.

It's your choice to buy gralats just as the same process when i play league of legends i cannot get the skins if i'm a top ranking player but they do give free stuff once ina while but i still have to purchase if i feel it's needed. Same based facts for players if they feel the need to purchase a item and not look like a noob. Then you do so by your choice.

PS: Stefan never hired me so rant all you want.  

i give up, they are just gonna keep making up ridiculous excuses for their masters and act like whats being done is right.

its pathetic how the stupid hierarchy system has suppressed all of opinions of our staff and resulted in this brainwashed "cant talk bad about my superiors even if they do screw up" mindset.  

No, Higbey, we're defending them because what you're saying is a complete exaggeration. Graal is voluntary work, we have real lives, and when we are on Graal, we are usually working. The GAT team is making graphics all the time, the LAT team is making levels all the time. What do you think we do? Log on and play? We have bigger responsibilities now and we feel for the players that are unhappy with some of the things and we *try* are hardest to make it better. There's a *lottttt* of stuff that needs to be done. On top of people glitching, hacking, stealing, etc. Also people needing uploads and transfers etc. We are all humans, just because we're "Admins" doesn't give us god-like capabilities like you think. Xor works hard every day, so does Stefan and Unixmad.  

God you folks complain a lot.

The paying thing won't go away. No amount of arguing or flailing your body on the ground in a temper-tantrum will make it go away. Believe me, I'm not a fan of paying money for anything. I'm a free-everything type of person. But if I can't change it, then please be sure as hell that you can't change it.

We gave out how much free stuff for Halloween? Please, complain more about that. If I remember correctly (which I do, because I headed up about 90% of all Halloween activities), almost all of the items were close to, if not at, 1 Gralat. Some stuff was a little more, but COMPLETELY buy-able if you spent maybe 10-15 minutes farming.

You're correct in stating that Graal has no economy. People complain about "hats being re-released they were so rare!!!1oneoneone" but HONESTLY. You can't trade the hat. You can't sell it. You can't give it to someone. You can't even throw it on the ground and stomp on it a few times to give it a tiny bit of a grass stain. There can't be any "rare" if there is no economy. Hat's cost their paying value currently, and that means nothing if you can't sell it or trade it. I personally would LOVE to have a trading system, as I've suggested it numerous times - but it is wayyy back on the back-burner (if it even happens).

Higbey, I don't understand why you complain so much if you "don't care, don't play". Normally I enjoy reading your bashings because I find it comical, but come on dude. Pull your panties out of a bunch (and stop wearing panties if so, that's for ladies) and go take a chill pill or something. You think everyone is 'out to get you'. I don't think you really look at things correctly - in fact, I know you don't. You have clouded judgement. You don't know where I stand on issues. You don't know what I do behind the scenes. And I won't tell you either. I can't. But honest to God, the staff are players as well. We don't like seeing stuff so expensive. So Chill out man.  

Posted by Coco88

NGraal is voluntary work, we have real lives, and when we are on Graal, we are usually working. The GAT team is making graphics all the time, the LAT team is making levels all the time. What do you think we do? Log on and play? We have bigger responsibilities now and we feel for the players that are unhappy with some of the things and we *try* are hardest to make it better. There's a *lottttt* of stuff that needs to be done. On top of people glitching, hacking, stealing, etc. Also people needing uploads and transfers etc. We are all humans, just because we're "Admins" doesn't give us god-like capabilities like you think.

no where have denied that. stay on topic, ive never said you were gods, i understand how your volunteers. no where have i ever said otherwise. no need to state the obvious.  

or in other words, exactly what Az said.  

Posted by Azrael

God you folks complain a lot.

The paying thing won't go away. No amount of arguing or flailing your body on the ground in a temper-tantrum will make it go away. Believe me, I'm not a fan of paying money for anything. I'm a free-everything type of person. But if I can't change it, then please be sure as hell that you can't change it.

We gave out how much free stuff for Halloween? Please, complain more about that. If I remember correctly (which I do, because I headed up about 90% of all Halloween activities), almost all of the items were close to, if not at, 1 Gralat. Some stuff was a little more, but COMPLETELY buy-able if you spent maybe 10-15 minutes farming.

You're correct in stating that Graal has no economy. People complain about "hats being re-released they were so rare!!!1oneoneone" but HONESTLY. You can't trade the hat. You can't sell it. You can't give it to someone. You can't even throw it on the ground and stomp on it a few times to give it a tiny bit of a grass stain. There can't be any "rare" if there is no economy. Hat's cost their paying value currently, and that means nothing if you can't sell it or trade it. I personally would LOVE to have a trading system, as I've suggested it numerous times - but it is wayyy back on the back-burner (if it even happens).

Higbey, I don't understand why you complain so much if you "don't care, don't play". Normally I enjoy reading your bashings because I find it comical, but come on dude. Pull your panties out of a bunch (and stop wearing panties if so, that's for ladies) and go take a chill pill or something. You think everyone is 'out to get you'. I don't think you really look at things correctly - in fact, I know you don't. You have clouded judgement. You don't know where I stand on issues. You don't know what I do behind the scenes. And I won't tell you either. I can't. But honest to God, the staff are players as well. We don't like seeing stuff so expensive. So Chill out man.

and here we have it, the guy who actually can say that he disagrees with whats being done and can admit that his ideals are different from Stefan and Unixmad.

why cant they all be more like you? at least you dont try to bull**** about everything being great and you dont try to pretend like everything Stefan and Unixmad choose to do is great.  

Masters? Do you honestly listen to your self are your like 11???
If you were a true graal player you would play it like most of the people i have met they don't have credit cards to buy itunes card or what not and they still enjoy the game?
The pay to play option is for people who wish to seek the easy way out.
I still don't get how i'm the one not playing graal i'm playing league of Legends they just announce a new hero which is due to come out next week. I don't even have enough currency to buy him but i have to go play games and win/loose some in order to get my credits up and then purchase him which won't even be on the same day he is released.

This is the same fact as graal you cannot get everything you want. So what about the tons and tons of event items that been given out for free? You guys really want to push buttons now?  

lol higbey I never said it was perfect, did I not say we try to fix the problems? I agree with Az 100%  

Posted by WarrLordd

Masters? Do you honestly listen to your self are your like 11???
If you were a true graal player you would play it like most of the people i have met they don't have credit cards to buy itunes card or what not and they still enjoy the game?
The pay to play option is for people who wish to seek the easy way out.
I still don't get how i'm the one not playing graal i'm playing league of Legends they just announce a new hero which is due to come out next week. I don't even have enough currency to buy him but i have to go play games and win/loose some in order to get my credits up and then purchase him which won't even be on the same day he is released.

This is the same fact as graal you cannot get everything you want. So what about the tons and tons of event items that been given out for free? You guys really want to push buttons now?

Nice spin on my thread and by the way is using stealth in the catheradel where no one goes considered part of staff to-do list, but anyway this is higbeys fight not mine.  

wow good info. Did you make the walking panda on your icon :3

Posted by Azrael

God you folks complain a lot.

The paying thing won't go away. No amount of arguing or flailing your body on the ground in a temper-tantrum will make it go away. Believe me, I'm not a fan of paying money for anything. I'm a free-everything type of person. But if I can't change it, then please be sure as hell that you can't change it.

We gave out how much free stuff for Halloween? Please, complain more about that. If I remember correctly (which I do, because I headed up about 90% of all Halloween activities), almost all of the items were close to, if not at, 1 Gralat. Some stuff was a little more, but COMPLETELY buy-able if you spent maybe 10-15 minutes farming.

You're correct in stating that Graal has no economy. People complain about "hats being re-released they were so rare!!!1oneoneone" but HONESTLY. You can't trade the hat. You can't sell it. You can't give it to someone. You can't even throw it on the ground and stomp on it a few times to give it a tiny bit of a grass stain. There can't be any "rare" if there is no economy. Hat's cost their paying value currently, and that means nothing if you can't sell it or trade it. I personally would LOVE to have a trading system, as I've suggested it numerous times - but it is wayyy back on the back-burner (if it even happens).

Higbey, I don't understand why you complain so much if you "don't care, don't play". Normally I enjoy reading your bashings because I find it comical, but come on dude. Pull your panties out of a bunch (and stop wearing panties if so, that's for ladies) and go take a chill pill or something. You think everyone is 'out to get you'. I don't think you really look at things correctly - in fact, I know you don't. You have clouded judgement. You don't know where I stand on issues. You don't know what I do behind the scenes. And I won't tell you either. I can't. But honest to God, the staff are players as well. We don't like seeing stuff so expensive. So Chill out man.

Dont ya think? EVERY ONE KEEPS COMPLAINING! ITS NOT A $25 GAME! GAMES IMPROVE OVER TIME. THEY DONT WANT TO HERE THIS BLAH BLAH THIS AND BLAH BLAH THAT, THEY ARE IMPROVING