Posted by Vivid*

please make a fun game with cheap guns that's easy to get money.
I'd really like a game that relies on skill rather than guns. Still use guns but just make them like Zone. Also, Make the Guns like Era (If I was in charge a gun with similar stats to M4 or Sten would be the most O.P.) I would make less guns with high ROF but more guns like Aug or High spread guns. I would make a lot less shotguns, considering era players all use PbPs' and Saweds'. Beginner gun would be like f2000 tac.
-the stats, not stolen guns, I know that's frowned upon.

What ya'll need is the desert raven. Best walling gun 2014  

Posted by Dusty

That's a whole lot of misinformed going on in this post.

First off, Graal is 2D. Secondly that image is not 2.5D. It's 2D just like Graal, but with a different style. 2.5D means it's 2D but emulates/incorperates 3D and vice versa. Games like... New Super Mario Bros, Tomba!, Link Between Worlds, and 3DS Cave Story are all examples of some degree of 2.5D.

It is 2.5D when you're dealing with terrain, actually.

The sprites and whatnot are still flat, but terrain maps themselves are done using a flat surface that has been converted into a wireframe mesh. Problem is, only crazy people like me and a few others take the time to deal with it because 3D in a 2D environment gets really weird and often frustrating.  

Posted by Draenin

It is 2.5D when you're dealing with terrain, actually.

The sprites and whatnot are still flat, but terrain maps themselves are done using a flat surface that has been converted into a wireframe mesh. Problem is, only crazy people like me and a few others take the time to deal with it because 3D in a 2D environment gets really weird and often frustrating.

I wasn't talking about GK The post I quoted linked this screenshot:


Which if it is using 3D(like say, Ragnorak Online which is an example of an online MMO that is 2.5D, I think), she could have picked a MUCH better screenshot to illustrate her point.  

Posted by Dusty

I wasn't talking about GK The post I quoted linked this screenshot:


Which if it is using 3D(like say, Ragnorak Online which is an example of an online MMO that is 2.5D, I think), she could have picked a MUCH better screenshot to illustrate her point.

Yeah, that screenshot didn't show up in your quote of Dawn's post because it was originally an attachment. So my bad for not picking up on that, I guess.

I was mostly just replying to your "Graal is 2D" statement because that's only partly true. Graal in general does have some 3D elements, but they're seldom used since it can get very complicated once you add that extra dimension. Aside from terrain maps, it's also possible to draw polygons as well, though their practical uses are very limited.  

Posted by Draenin

Yeah, that screenshot didn't show up in your quote of Dawn's post because it was originally an attachment. So my bad for not picking up on that, I guess.

I was mostly just replying to your "Graal is 2D" statement because that's only partly true. Graal in general does have some 3D elements, but they're seldom used since it can get very complicated once you add that extra dimension. Aside from terrain maps, it's also possible to draw polygons as well, though their practical uses are very limited.

The Graal documentation states that 3D elements have been removed. Although after looking through Graal code -- there are 3D initializers, but I couldn't tell you if they actually do anything or not.  

Posted by Fysez

The Graal documentation states that 3D elements have been removed.

It's talking about Graal3D elements specifically, which were present in older versions of the client and Graal3D server. (Which is why we eventually got the Graal3D Christmas Preview that took a lot more disk space to install.)

The stuff I'm talking about is still present and working just fine.  

Posted by Fysez

The Graal documentation states that 3D elements have been removed. Although after looking through Graal code -- there are 3D initializers, but I couldn't tell you if they actually do anything or not.

The only 3D Elements left are for stefans Skills Games, from last I heard. Most 3D Elements, especially the ones for 3D Graal was removed to downsize the client.  

Posted by Vivid*

please make a fun game with cheap guns that's easy to get money.
I'd really like a game that relies on skill rather than guns. Still use guns but just make them like Zone. Also, Make the Guns like Era (If I was in charge a gun with similar stats to M4 or Sten would be the most O.P.) I would make less guns with high ROF but more guns like Aug or High spread guns. I would make a lot less shotguns, considering era players all use PbPs' and Saweds'. Beginner gun would be like f2000 tac.
-the stats, not stolen guns, I know that's frowned upon.

You basically described zone. Go play zone. Seriously everything you just described fits zone. Get a photon, learn to tap fire it. You will be set for a long long long time.  

Posted by MysticalDragon

The only 3D Elements left are for stefans Skills Games, from last I heard. Most 3D Elements, especially the ones for 3D Graal was removed to downsize the client.

Do we even have a server for those games anymore? I kind of miss Bomber Mad  

I can't see the servers growing much seeing as the entire server on Classic lags during Christmas when there is almost 4k players online. Something would need to be done about this first.  

Posted by Vivid*

please make a fun game with cheap guns that's easy to get money.
I'd really like a game that relies on skill rather than guns. Still use guns but just make them like Zone. Also, Make the Guns like Era (If I was in charge a gun with similar stats to M4 or Sten would be the most O.P.) I would make less guns with high ROF but more guns like Aug or High spread guns. I would make a lot less shotguns, considering era players all use PbPs' and Saweds'. Beginner gun would be like f2000 tac.
-the stats, not stolen guns, I know that's frowned upon.

go play zone. You described zone.

Posted by Craftz1

I can't see the servers growing much seeing as the entire server on Classic lags during Christmas when there is almost 4k players online. Something would need to be done about this first.

the servers need to be upgraded so bad. Era and zone lag so hard.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

go play zone. You described zone.


the servers need to be upgraded so bad. Era and zone lag so hard.

but instead of upgrading, they decided to remove the in game forums altogether. Well played, zone. Well played.  

Posted by TWIZ

but instead of upgrading, they decided to remove the in game forums altogether. Well played, zone. Well played.

Do you have any concept of what the in game forums could have potentially used as far as resources?

I mean, even if it was centered around a SQLdb instead of a DBNPC, you are talking about a good amount of resources.

Sounds like an upgrade to me.

Well played Zone, well played.  

how about we start something- Spread the Graal Word. Take your favorite server, and tell friends to play it, Maybe server owners can make discount offers for a limited time- like guns half off for a week, or something like that if that could be done.( it's also an excuse to get awesome guns for low price, as you know, being a noob nowadays is a lot harder to get money, and half the time anybody who starts the game quits.) Make the beginning of the game more like a gimmick, idk.

Classic, I realize, would be a little different. Maybe make a limited edition Horse to ride.  

Or, make all objects discount depending on playing time. For example, if a gun costs $4,000 right now, for someone with 10 hours; the cost would be 2,000. But for someone with 1k hours, it would be $3,000. And for someone with over 5k hours, it would be the full price.
However, not big leaps like that for every few 000's. Like if you have 212 hours, the cost may be 2,200.
Each hour of playing, the required gralats increases slightly.
This gives new players a chance to get everything they need.

But I also understand the above option would create problems and complainers about how they've played so long they should get a discount. Just thought I'd mention the idea