Posted by qes

after watching so many GSTs its hit or miss. Ive seen comyt WRECK people like he says, I've also seen comyt's rush stat get him wrecked.
I've seen Defensive strats work like aguzo suggests.
But as GST history has shown, teams with the ability to dominate together usually win.
US idevice had comyt and eddy who both got massive amount of hits together. Then Us device had NiTe who was very clutch, and generally found ways to stay alive when he needed to. Then Kouji who was at the time an aggressive defensive sparrer who would do a very good job at team work. Then vlad who.... whatever vlad was the weak link imo, but he did a good job and made sure to keep himself from messing up. He generally used corners and walls. which might have helped US?
US PC Dominated thanks to a combination of great PC players like david, ares(Rashard), praydoh, highlander(maybe? don't remember if he was in gst) eventually thallen and etc, US pc in my opinion only dominated Early on due to lack of PC competition AND the fact they had such great line ups. But anyways back to Aguzo vs clops US also dominated NOT DEFENSIVELY (probably because most teams in 2012 were ez)
Alumni PC Alumni PC will dominate people with sparers like david. Then they will draw people using Mk who is just a smart sparrer. Then Thallen and colossus are all around consistent in all uses, Dominating offensively and defensively if they have to. Then Eko is strong at staying alive and being defensive.
Sarahs idev delay teams
These teams are so hard because of their pure brute defense and obvious delay.
Aguzo vs Clops
You both made good points in my opinion. But looking at History, Whether you have a defensive or offensive team, you just need to have players who can effectively group around the other team and dominate them like past and current successful teams have done.
AND theres all sorts of side tactics which are hit or miss
like
+running to the other side and causing confusion(clops)
- can work great ( confusion allows your team to take the upper hand)
-can get you wreck(they can all corner wreck you or wall wreck you)
+like being a suicidial offensive wrecking machine taking on multiple people (comyt)
-can work great ( you can get 10-16 or whatevr hits and die giving your team a head start on hits)
-can get you wrecked (you can under estimate the teamwork skill of other team and get killed quickly doing little damage)
-can work and still fail (you can get 6-10 hits which SEEMS good, but then if you die and leave it 4v5 in the start, the other team has more people to dominate with)
+baiting the other team, being generally defensive, and staying alive(aguzo)
-if done properly by the whole team using teamwork it will work.
-unless the team you are facing is dominant enough to wreck you while your wasting time being defensive and baiting.

Not trying to be mean but you have some weird punctuation that makes analyzing/reading your post really hard. Hard to follow  

Posted by James205

Not trying to be mean but you have some weird punctuation that makes analyzing/reading your post really hard. Hard to follow

just trying to make my point with no effort. its not that hard to read tbh  

Posted by qes

just trying to make my point with no effort. its not that hard to read tbh

I think most people over analysis GST/sparring and are blind to see that it's all about getting better. I've heard so many crazy theories/breakdowns and sometimes I think people love talking about GST vs actually just getting better at it.  

Posted by James205

I think most people over analysis GST/sparring and are blind to see that it's all about getting better. I've heard so many crazy theories/breakdowns and sometimes I think people love talking about GST vs actually just getting better at it.

I wasn't saying anything was wrong... I was just giving my view on the Guild sparring techniques that comyt, clops and aguzo were talking about...
but because u brought up the topic, the only things i dislike are people who don't 1vs1 spar often and think GST is the only important thing.  

I think Eko and I did exceptionally well this time around, I just wish there was a video so I could confirm that. I do agree it doesn't even feel like GST when nobody recorded + it came and went so fast. Also feels like nobody really cared this time around which makes me a little bitter because mixed is pretty competitive, but people think because we usually win that we have to put 0 effort in to win it which isn't true.

I agree with James tho. People tend to overanalyze this and forget that it's pretty simple and comes down just to how good you and your team are.  

i think all teams played well in gst, with some teams playing better than others, certain teams got slightlt lucky (DoT included)

alumni deserved to win, eko killed it out there, i dont personally think that all this hate on certain sparrers is really needed, i can understand the hate towards certain sparrers about how they come across,

but with defencive sparring against offence, defensive is fine when it comes to survive and stuff, but as long as you get enough hits as 'staying alive the whole round' isnt true with both of these methods, getting more than 6 hits is really the main goal, this means that you've done the damage needed, anymore hits are just bonus's,

the better sparrers amoung us can swap between these styles, with being able to react to certain situations, mastering both of these methods i would say is the 'god tier' of sparring, i dont personally think that anyone has done this, i think people are suprisingly good at both, but nowhere near mastery.

Personally id say sparring is evolving, new players everyday are joinging bigger teams and getting themselves known, and smaller teams getting themselves known,

i enjoyed this gst, and with it not being recorded is fine by me, but i think the staff should have a recording of all games.

just my opinions

Thanks, Dia  

Posted by Dia

i think all teams played well in gst, with some teams playing better than others, certain teams got slightlt lucky (DoT included)

alumni deserved to win, eko killed it out there, i dont personally think that all this hate on certain sparrers is really needed, i can understand the hate towards certain sparrers about how they come across,

but with defencive sparring against offence, defensive is fine when it comes to survive and stuff, but as long as you get enough hits as 'staying alive the whole round' isnt true with both of these methods, getting more than 6 hits is really the main goal, this means that you've done the damage needed, anymore hits are just bonus's,

the better sparrers amoung us can swap between these styles, with being able to react to certain situations, mastering both of these methods i would say is the 'god tier' of sparring, i dont personally think that anyone has done this, i think people are suprisingly good at both, but nowhere near mastery.

Personally id say sparring is evolving, new players everyday are joinging bigger teams and getting themselves known, and smaller teams getting themselves known,

i enjoyed this gst, and with it not being recorded is fine by me, but i think the staff should have a recording of all games.

just my opinions

Thanks, Dia

It'd be good for staff to have a recording of each match to go back on rounds if something dodgy happened  

Posted by OG

It'd be good for staff to have a recording of each match to go back on rounds if something dodgy happened

It's funny I was thinking of recording GST this season and doing one of my cool videos... until I saw how choppy the viewing room is... and it appears no one recorded.

Only way I do those cool videos for GST is if I can get in room recordings.  

Posted by James205

Only way I do those cool videos for GST is if I can get in room recordings.

^^^ admins pls
agreed, viewing rooms are choppy asf and u can tell that by my old gst vids. i can already visualize how it went without me being physically in there.

and i don't like recording mixed anymore cus they can record themselves + idev is much more intense with ironic/dramatic outcomes.  

I don't think recording the viewers is that big of a deal, it's obviously not as smooth but it at least allows you to see what goes on and make an assessment of hit scores and whatnot  

Posted by Thallen

I don't think recording the viewers is that big of a deal, it's obviously not as smooth but it at least allows you to see what goes on and make an assessment of hit scores and whatnot

For individual videos to get the point across on what happened yeah. But I would love to make some actual official-feeling type videos for GST with some quality.

As an editor I wouldn't dare edit the viewing room.  

Posted by OG

your obsession with adding a ranking system makes people look at you like some sort of a joke. No one looks at you seriously anymore and you still expect them too.

Also the fact that you think you're one of the best guild sparrers is hilarious!

Don't blame hikaru, like most graalians he has been affected with what I call the lame person mentality. He's desperate to be recognized as one of the GOAT's of sparring. When people make top 10 sparrer lists he wants to be mentioned with the likes of comet, ares, and so on. The problem is, PC players will never give him that title (even if he was able to beat all the so called legendary sparrers in a series) they would just record him and accuse him of cheating. To idevice players he will always be that sucky idevice player hat needed to jump on a PC to feel relevant. Which goes back to why he's obsessed with the ranking system.

As long as he has that "bad ratio" he will never find validation as a "legendary sparrer" so he needs something legit that will back up his claim/want to be legendary. He doesn't care about his ratio, so he wouldn't have a problem losing a lot while trying to reach legendary status. So a ranking system would be the only way he could find validation.

I still love you hikaru

Posted by David

because mixed is pretty competitive, but people think because we usually win that we have to put 0 effort in to win it which isn't true.

lol

Posted by Zetectic

^^^ admins pls
agreed, viewing rooms are choppy asf and u can tell that by my old gst vids. i can already visualize how it went without me being physically in there.

and i don't like recording mixed anymore cus they can record themselves + idev is much more intense with ironic/dramatic outcomes.

Zet pls

You should start your own version of ESPN and hire yourself a production crew. Spar highlights 24/7.  

Posted by GOAT

lol

It is though, it definitely has the more consistent teams
If Blackout or WAR/Apostles were able to enter the iDevice tournament, they'd have won it every time

But I know that once Alumni stops participating, people will dismiss it as "they just got a lot of free wins, it was easy XD"
Although, as more players begin to play and as more sparrers improve, GSTs only get more difficult to win, especially when you make a commitment to not changing your team

GSTs started becoming more competitive in 2012, at least that's my view as someone who played casually starting in 2011 and didn't care to enter them until 2013  

Posted by Thallen

It is though, it definitely has the more consistent teams
If Blackout or WAR/Apostles were able to enter the iDevice tournament, they'd have won it every time

But I know that once Alumni stops participating, people will dismiss it as "they just got a lot of free wins, it was easy XD"
Although, as more players begin to play and as more sparrers improve, GSTs only get more difficult to win, especially when you make a commitment to not changing your team

GSTs started becoming more competitive in 2012, at least that's my view as someone who played casually starting in 2011 and didn't care to enter them until later

you gave me an idea brb  

Posted by Thallen

It is though, it definitely has the more consistent teams
If Blackout or WAR/Apostles were able to enter the iDevice tournament, they'd have won it every time

But I know that once Alumni stops participating, people will dismiss it as "they just got a lot of free wins, it was easy XD"
Although, as more players begin to play and as more sparrers improve, GSTs only get more difficult to win, especially when you make a commitment to not changing your team

GSTs started becoming more competitive in 2012, at least that's my view as someone who played casually starting in 2011 and didn't care to enter them until 2013

Consistent teams...Obviously when there's only like 4 decent guilds out of 32 guilds they're likely to go far especially through the high score all of the "good" guilds get they'll not face off till QF/SF so it's consistent...Whereas in iDevice there's much more competition probably about 8-10 great teams in iDevice plus them teams are all so similar in skill level that it makes iDevice so much entertaining to watch and unpredictable.