Fall GST 2015 Highlights - 8

rickclops · 12-02-2015

Really? The first time I rushed behind them was the only round we won against Alumni in GST. And no one agreed with your defense only strategy next season. You're not always right.

Posted by Aguzo

What am I supposed to say? "Oh no, it's okay just rush and die fast. go 0-6 if you want, we can handle the 4v5."???????

When you rush into enemy side, you will get teamed very fast. Only time you rush is when you have the advantage, teammate needs help, getting out of corners. Otherwise you just put your team in a x<5 vs 5 situation.

Rushing into the enemy side caused our 1 win against Alumni that GST.

Also, no one on Blackout agreed with your defense only strategy the GST after that.

You're not always right.

Red · 12-02-2015

Posted by rickclops

Really? The first time I rushed behind them was the only round we won against Alumni in GST. And no one agreed with your defense only strategy next season. You're not always right.

Rushing into the enemy side caused our 1 win against Alumni that GST.

Also, no one on Blackout agreed with your defense only strategy the GST after that.

You're not always right.

The fact that he will slobber all over someone like Brett to get into a team and then go ahead and blame others for him just guild sparring like trash in general gives me the feeling aguzo is well past his time.

Kuz · 12-02-2015

Posted by Aguzo

When you rush into enemy side, you will get teamed very fast. Only time you rush is when you have the advantage, teammate needs help, getting out of corners. Otherwise you just put your team in a x<5 vs 5 situation.

Hmmm but it's sometimes good to infiltrate the enemies defense...People like David can get into the enemies side and be get quite a few hits in whilst distracting them so his team can attack from behind too...If done correctly this is a great strategy. So....defense only isn't something that should be used 100% of the time every spar in my opinion although I understand why you think it is.

Aguzo · 12-02-2015

Posted by rickclops

rush to win argument.

31:00, 1st round you went 9-6.

Go to 32:16, 2nd round you tried rushing "behind enemy", etc and got went 1-6. You left your team in a 4v5 situation and they got bodied. Less people to form a wall.

3rd round you went 1-6 again. You stayed back a little in the beginning, because you were probably afraid of dying fast like the 2nd round, but ended up doing the same thing...

Results: 11-18

Rushing just doesn't always work, baiting is what works.
Baiting = force enemy to push and then have another teammate body them.

Rushing works better without the lag, but once it's gst all you're gonna do is put your team in a 4v5.

Posted by OG

The fact that he will slobber all over someone like Brett to get into a team and then go ahead and blame others for him just guild sparring like trash in general gives me the feeling aguzo is well past his time.

What? Blackout asked me to join, I told them the 1st time no, because I promised PT that I would do gst with WAR. I told brett I would join next gst.

If you don't know what you are talking about, then don't bark. I don't blame others, in fact first round in Fall gst against alumni we lost, because I ended up rushing/wasn't used to the gst lag.

rickclops · 12-02-2015

You shouldn't put your teammates on blast here of all places. I don't know why you're complaining about your own team on the forum.

Aguzo · 12-02-2015

Posted by Kuz

get quite a few hits in whilst distracting them so his team can attack from behind too...If done correctly this is a great strategy.

Yes exactly, and no not always being defensive. I only defend when we are at a disadvantage, and I don't see any openings to attack. It's about playing smart, just look at the part that I mentioned in the video. Rushing is a dead man's strategy, unless teammates are distracting.

Posted by rickclops

You shouldn't put your teammates on blast here of all places. I don't know why you're complaining about your own team on the forum.

What are you even talking about? How am I blaming my team? Did you not see me blame myself?

Albie · 12-02-2015

Posted by rickclops

You shouldn't put your teammates on blast here of all places. I don't know why you're complaining about your own team on the forum.

You were literally just chatting **** about him which was apparently fine but when he does it he's satans spawn?

rickclops · 12-02-2015

You're pretty high and mighty for someone who doesn't have someone following them around taking screenshots. I'm glad you've never said anything bad about anyone, except for just now when you just did.

Zetectic · 12-02-2015

Posted by Aguzo

What? Blackout asked me to join, I told him no the 1st time, because I promised PT that I would do gst with WAR. I told brett I would join next gst.

.-.;; blackout 1st rule - no trashtalking... xdd

Darkk · 12-02-2015

Posted by OG

The fact that he will slobber all over someone like Brett to get into a team and then go ahead and blame others for him just guild sparring like trash in general gives me the feeling aguzo is well past his time.

He's still 2x better than you lol

Thallen · 12-02-2015

Posted by Aguzo

31:00, 1st round you went 9-6.

Go to 32:16, 2nd round you tried rushing "behind enemy", etc and got went 1-6. You left your team in a 4v5 situation and they got bodied. Less people to form a wall.

3rd round you went 1-6 again. You stayed back a little in the beginning, because you were probably afraid of dying fast like the 2nd round, but ended up doing the same thing...

Results: 11-18

rip

contego · 12-03-2015

Who cares who said what about who, just words with a dash of emotion and salt. Idc who thinks I'm good or bad, I am of enough sound mind and self awareness to know how I preformed. This season was my worst and I was the heavy teammate but nothing I can do about that, it's the past I'm not worried.

Red · 12-03-2015

rule1 of blackout dont trash talk

Comyt · 12-03-2015

won 3 GSTs with US and became the most desired idevice guildsparrer (true whether you like it or not) being a suicide bomber and rushing in, inflicting massive damage and dying quickly. shut up aguzo, you really don't know what you're talking about.

qes · 12-03-2015

after watching so many GSTs its hit or miss. Ive seen comyt WRECK people like he says, I've also seen comyt's rush stat get him wrecked.
I've seen Defensive strats work like aguzo suggests.
But as GST history has shown, teams with the ability to dominate together usually win.
US idevice had comyt and eddy who both got massive amount of hits together. Then Us device had NiTe who was very clutch, and generally found ways to stay alive when he needed to. Then Kouji who was at the time an aggressive defensive sparrer who would do a very good job at team work. Then vlad who.... whatever vlad was the weak link imo, but he did a good job and made sure to keep himself from messing up. He generally used corners and walls. which might have helped US?
US PC Dominated thanks to a combination of great PC players like david, ares(Rashard), praydoh, highlander(maybe? don't remember if he was in gst) eventually thallen and etc, US pc in my opinion only dominated Early on due to lack of PC competition AND the fact they had such great line ups. But anyways back to Aguzo vs clops US also dominated NOT DEFENSIVELY (probably because most teams in 2012 were ez)
Alumni PC Alumni PC will dominate people with sparers like david. Then they will draw people using Mk who is just a smart sparrer. Then Thallen and colossus are all around consistent in all uses, Dominating offensively and defensively if they have to. Then Eko is strong at staying alive and being defensive.
Sarahs idev delay teams
These teams are so hard because of their pure brute defense and obvious delay.
Aguzo vs Clops
You both made good points in my opinion. But looking at History, Whether you have a defensive or offensive team, you just need to have players who can effectively group around the other team and dominate them like past and current successful teams have done.
AND theres all sorts of side tactics which are hit or miss
like
+running to the other side and causing confusion(clops)
- can work great ( confusion allows your team to take the upper hand)
-can get you wreck(they can all corner wreck you or wall wreck you)
+like being a suicidial offensive wrecking machine taking on multiple people (comyt)
-can work great ( you can get 10-16 or whatevr hits and die giving your team a head start on hits)
-can get you wrecked (you can under estimate the teamwork skill of other team and get killed quickly doing little damage)
-can work and still fail (you can get 6-10 hits which SEEMS good, but then if you die and leave it 4v5 in the start, the other team has more people to dominate with)
+baiting the other team, being generally defensive, and staying alive(aguzo)
-if done properly by the whole team using teamwork it will work.
-unless the team you are facing is dominant enough to wreck you while your wasting time being defensive and baiting.

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rickclops Studying for graalians Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Seattle Posts: 304	You shouldn't put your teammates on blast here of all places. I don't know why you're complaining about your own team on the forum.

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contego Çòñtëgó Me§§iaH Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 175	Who cares who said what about who, just words with a dash of emotion and salt. Idc who thinks I'm good or bad, I am of enough sound mind and self awareness to know how I preformed. This season was my worst and I was the heavy teammate but nothing I can do about that, it's the past I'm not worried.

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Red Banned Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 3,255	rule1 of blackout dont trash talk

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Comyt Emperor Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New York Posts: 1,000	won 3 GSTs with US and became the most desired idevice guildsparrer (true whether you like it or not) being a suicide bomber and rushing in, inflicting massive damage and dying quickly. shut up aguzo, you really don't know what you're talking about.

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qes Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 732	after watching so many GSTs its hit or miss. Ive seen comyt WRECK people like he says, I've also seen comyt's rush stat get him wrecked. I've seen Defensive strats work like aguzo suggests. But as GST history has shown, teams with the ability to dominate together usually win. US idevice had comyt and eddy who both got massive amount of hits together. Then Us device had NiTe who was very clutch, and generally found ways to stay alive when he needed to. Then Kouji who was at the time an aggressive defensive sparrer who would do a very good job at team work. Then vlad who.... whatever vlad was the weak link imo, but he did a good job and made sure to keep himself from messing up. He generally used corners and walls. which might have helped US? US PC Dominated thanks to a combination of great PC players like david, ares(Rashard), praydoh, highlander(maybe? don't remember if he was in gst) eventually thallen and etc, US pc in my opinion only dominated Early on due to lack of PC competition AND the fact they had such great line ups. But anyways back to Aguzo vs clops US also dominated NOT DEFENSIVELY (probably because most teams in 2012 were ez) Alumni PC Alumni PC will dominate people with sparers like david. Then they will draw people using Mk who is just a smart sparrer. Then Thallen and colossus are all around consistent in all uses, Dominating offensively and defensively if they have to. Then Eko is strong at staying alive and being defensive. Sarahs idev delay teams These teams are so hard because of their pure brute defense and obvious delay. Aguzo vs Clops You both made good points in my opinion. But looking at History, Whether you have a defensive or offensive team, you just need to have players who can effectively group around the other team and dominate them like past and current successful teams have done. AND theres all sorts of side tactics which are hit or miss like +running to the other side and causing confusion(clops) - can work great ( confusion allows your team to take the upper hand) -can get you wreck(they can all corner wreck you or wall wreck you) +like being a suicidial offensive wrecking machine taking on multiple people (comyt) -can work great ( you can get 10-16 or whatevr hits and die giving your team a head start on hits) -can get you wrecked (you can under estimate the teamwork skill of other team and get killed quickly doing little damage) -can work and still fail (you can get 6-10 hits which SEEMS good, but then if you die and leave it 4v5 in the start, the other team has more people to dominate with) +baiting the other team, being generally defensive, and staying alive(aguzo) -if done properly by the whole team using teamwork it will work. -unless the team you are facing is dominant enough to wreck you while your wasting time being defensive and baiting.