Posted by MrSimons

Spoiler

Fyzes isn't being a bigot. He's absolutely right. If you are raised being told being gay is the norm, you probably are going to end up being gay. Sure you may be "genetically attracted to guys". But that isn't the only factor that determines whether you are straight or gay. There are TONS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE GAY BECAUSE THEY THINK IT IS COOL OR DIFFERENT. Just because someone was not born gay does not make them straight or unable of being gay, and if you don't believe that you are probably much more bigoted than anyone who thinks that people aren't born gay at all. You're also underestimating how impressionable children are. They will believe and follow anything adults or media tells them. Have you never noticed how many Disney character costumes there are out there? That's because children love Disney and want to be just like their characters, liking the same sex is not an exception to this. * SPOILER *

I mean what's wrong with that though? So now some more people are gay. It's not like the world's ending.  

Posted by xSupah*

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who don't really play graal anymore but still like to use these forums. What does me browsing Graalians have to do with playing Graal? I like the community here and thats why I stay. Come on pal, use your common sense. After all, it's your name.

You're posting on this thread saying "a discussion about something proven to be false, GG". Ok, why can't we talk about something that was proven false? If everything was like that then we should say that everyone who quit Graal shouldn't be able to post on Graalians, because they already told us they quit so what's the point.

I'm here to give common sense, something you clearly lack.  

Posted by Myst

Honestly you are giving animals less recognition, they communicate right? so how do you know they don't talk to each over in a way similar to how we would?

It's already been a proven fact for a very long time now that animals have basic communication. Bees (not animals, but still in consideration) having the best communicative techniques away from humans.
Animals like dogs bark to alert and growl to show discomfort and/or aggressiveness.
They cannot bark to say "Hey, goes it going? What's your favorite color, black or white?"

Posted by kenovo

I don't understand how you can possibly try to compare being homosexual with being a terrorist. Sexuality is just simply something you don't choose. You honestly think people would choose to be Gay? Why? So they are different, weird, not like everyone else. People commit suicide and live terrible lives due to their sexuality. Though this isn't as common anymore, it still happens. Why would someone purposely go through that? They wouldn't because they can't help what they feel.

Don't put words in my mouth. If you read the comment, I'm not comparing them directly to terrorists like homosexuals are horrible explosive people aiming to kill others.
It's a contrasting comparison, like comparing dogs to cats.
I could say "how dare you compare dogs and cats? One has claws and so cute while the other slobbers everywhere and eats other animals sloppily."
Maybe try re-reading my comment and then understand what I'm comparing about the two, not that they are completely alike.

Posted by iChronic

i dont understand ths guy either. he compared this whole thing to disney producing/promoting prn earlier in the thread

I'm female.

Regardless, you should read my full comment on that discussion. Maybe quote it, not take a very small piece of what I said to make it look like what I did say is worse than it actually was.  

Posted by Fysez

Yes.
Small, I mean even tiny, life situations can change your entire future. Especially in children.
If a child, boy or girl, grows up watching and being around same-sex couples, they'll more likely than not also have an interest in same-sex relations. This is because we adapt to our surroundings.

It's a pretty basic understanding, actually, point being that yes.. Even small things like watching movies on heterosexual encounters, and enjoying those movies, give you a role model.
I remember being little and wanting to be someone like Saria (from Zelda, green girl), so I associated my imagination to her. Even though she played a very small role in any part of my life.

Posted by Fysez

There are so many factors outside of your household and away from your family.
If you're a child and are made fun of by a homosexual group, your mind will believe that "all homosexuals are this way" (not for everyone, but this is a typical mind-set for humans). Of course, it's not reversed to heterosexual groups, because homosexual groups stand out more; like being in highschool and seeing the "Emo group," "Nerd group," ", Jock group," etc.


Again, there are so many factors that almost anything is possible for this type of outcome.

So which one is it?

Posted by kenovo

Though I agree with you our actions and behavior is affected by our surroundings, your sexual orientation has nothing to do with that. It's been tested hundreds of times that gay people are genetically gay. Not because they witnessed or were around gay people. They were born with it and there's nothing else to it.

Posted by HON3Y BADG3R

No they don't.

Almost all gay people today come from straight family's. Sexuality almost always comes from the mind.

I used to think the same way. Even though I do believe you're born with one sexual preference, I do believe certain circumstance can lead individuals to experiment with the opposite preference. I don't think someone can go from 'straight to gay' or 'gay to straight', but I do think they can become bi-sexual.

I've seen it many time in real life with girls having bad luck with their dudes and then start dating girls.

Posted by Fysez

You do realize animals are not as intellectual as humans?
They choose their mates simply by "this one looks better than the other" without taking to factor personalities or goals. They just do it to reproduce.
Mammals are the only type of animal that can "try to reproduce" for fun/pleasure; regardless, humans are the only living things that account for so much more than "if female/male. if pretty/ugly."

you should watch the animal planet a lil bit more

Posted by Fysez

But that's where you're wrong, it does.
If we want to get "super factual" on the matter, let's discuss an entire village of male-only species. People are going to have instinct and needs. Everyone will be homosexual. People will not say "no, this is wrong, I need a female" because they were not raised near or have any sexual feeling to anything other than their surrounding "experiences" growing up.
That's still an environmental factor, and although it seems very unlikely for the above to ever occur, I'm sure testing the theory will give you said results.

Prison?
The urge might overtake them, but the only one that would turn gay is the weakest one<--think about why

The question is, can a person partake in activities that are considered gay without being gay? If you're in prison and a molester shows up and you're order to do the same to him, would that make you gay?

Posted by kenovo

I don't understand how you can possibly try to compare being homosexual with being a terrorist. Sexuality is just simply something you don't choose. You honestly think people would choose to be Gay? Why? So they are different, weird, not like everyone else. People commit suicide and live terrible lives due to their sexuality. Though this isn't as common anymore, it still happens. Why would someone purposely go through that? They wouldn't because they can't help what they feel.

They are hated equally

jk of-course  

Posted by GOAT

So which one is it?

Did you forget to read the line right after what you bolded first?
"Small, even tiny" meaning anything - EVEN tiny factors. That doesn't change the fact that there are tons of them... Please try reading properly before trying to make me look foolish.

Posted by GOAT

you should watch the animal planet a lil bit more

If you're trying to say I'm wrong, you should be the one watching animal planet or doing research. There are many links out there with information for you to see.

Posted by GOAT

Prison?
The urge might overtake them, but the only one that would turn gay is the weakest one<--think about why

Except you're not born in prison, you're put in there after living in a community life for over 19+ years.

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I feel like you didn't read anything I posted, just skimmed through or misread dearly. Try again on someone else, please.

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I know some of these links aren't reliable sources, but you can also do the research "Can animals talk to each other like humans?":

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...5113355AASKb79
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/onli..._they_say.aspx
http://maseeh1.tripod.com/advices7/i...dogs-can-talk/
http://www.petsadviser.com/behaviors...th-each-other/

The above are just a few links I quickly found showing how animals cannot communicate to eachother like humans. They can, however, communicate basic commands (as I stated earlier) but again, nothing like " What is your favorite color? "  

Posted by Imprint

I mean what's wrong with that though? So now some more people are gay. It's not like the world's ending.

I think you interpreted my post the completely wrong way, I am generally apathetic to whether or not a movie about gay people is made, or whether children want to be gay. I was just pointing a few things out, not sharing my opinion.

Also I take back saying that Fysez isn't being ignorant.  

Posted by MrSimons

You're also underestimating how impressionable children are. They will believe and follow anything adults or media tells them. Have you never noticed how many Disney character costumes there are out there? That's because children love Disney and want to be just like their characters, liking the same sex is not an exception to this.

and yet even with hundreds of decades of media showing a never-ending herd of straight people doing straight things, gay people continue to exist. but, anyway, let's boycott all films with straight people; I don't want my kids becoming heteros  

Posted by Fysez

It's already been a proven fact for a very long time now that animals have basic communication. Bees (not animals, but still in consideration) having the best communicative techniques away from humans.
Animals like dogs bark to alert and growl to show discomfort and/or aggressiveness.
They cannot bark to say "Hey, goes it going? What's your favorite color, black or white?"



Don't put words in my mouth. If you read the comment, I'm not comparing them directly to terrorists like homosexuals are horrible explosive people aiming to kill others.
It's a contrasting comparison, like comparing dogs to cats.
I could say "how dare you compare dogs and cats? One has claws and so cute while the other slobbers everywhere and eats other animals sloppily."
Maybe try re-reading my comment and then understand what I'm comparing about the two, not that they are completely alike.

And obviously you didn't read what I actually meant. You can't compare and contrast two completely unalike situations and try to get a reasonable conclusion from it.  

Posted by Fysez

Did you forget to read the line right after what you bolded first?
"Small, even tiny" meaning anything - EVEN tiny factors. That doesn't change the fact that there are tons of them... Please try reading properly before trying to make me look foolish.

So you mean any(1) small thing can cause the change from a large list of factors? I interpreted your post by the form in which they were written. I wasn't trying to make you look "foolish"

Posted by Fysez

If you're trying to say I'm wrong, you should be the one watching animal planet or doing research. There are many links out there with information for you to see.

I know some of these links aren't reliable sources, but you can also do the research "Can animals talk to each other like humans?":

The above are just a few links I quickly found showing how animals cannot communicate to eachother like humans. They can, however, communicate basic commands (as I stated earlier) but again, nothing like " What is your favorite color? "

v--never said you were wrong about animals "talking" to each other

Posted by Fysez

You do realize animals are not as intellectual as humans?
They choose their mates simply by "this one looks better than the other" without taking to factor personalities or goals. They just do it to reproduce.

I was saying you were wrong on your reasons for animals mating.

Search "How do animals pick their mates" or "how do animals mate" or something along those lines. The animal kingdom is large, so there should be some interesting finds.

Posted by Fysez

Except you're not born in prison, you're put in there after living in a community life for over 19+ years.

forget the prison and pretend it's your all male island

Posted by GOAT

The urge might overtake them, but the only one that would turn gay is the weakest one<--think about why

The question is, can a person partake in activities that are considered gay without being gay? If you're in prison and a molester shows up and you're order to do the same to him, would that make you gay?

and answer these question

Posted by Fysez

I feel like you didn't read anything I posted, just skimmed through or misread dearly. Try again on someone else, please.

I don't quote people unless I read what they have to say.  

Posted by Kiwi

and yet even with hundreds of decades of media showing a never-ending herd of straight people doing straight things, gay people continue to exist. but, anyway, let's boycott all films with straight people; I don't want my kids becoming heteros

You seem to be somehow completely unable to interpret anything I have posted. In case mentioning a couple times that homosexuality is something genetic, and calling another person ignorant because they insisted that it was purely choice was too subtle for you; no, I do not think that sexuality is strictly a choice.  

I find the whole "your environment influences your sexuality" thing total bs.
When I was a girl I was openly homosexual. But, I was raised in a God fearing, bible thumping, straight home. If environment influences your sexuality then I would be straight. Along with all of my other gay or bi friends. Because our environment was against homosexuality.

Just like, if you're raised in a home where say your parents are gay, that won't influence your sexuality. It will simple open your mind to more then just "girls must be with guys".

And further more, sexuality is NOT a choice in any way what so ever. You can not choose to be attracted to the same sex just like you can't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. Again, total BS.  

Posted by mangsi

I find the whole "your environment influences your sexuality" thing total bs.
When I was a girl I was openly homosexual. But, I was raised in a God fearing, bible thumping, straight home. If environment influences your sexuality then I would be straight. Along with all of my other gay or bi friends. Because our environment was against homosexuality.

Just like, if you're raised in a home where say your parents are gay, that won't influence your sexuality. It will simple open your mind to more then just "girls must be with guys".

And further more, sexuality is NOT a choice in any way what so ever. You can not choose to be attracted to the same sex just like you can't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. Again, total BS.

Your environment isn't limited to the family you live with. All those gay and bi friends of yours are also a part of your environment. I'm not saying being around a bunch of homos is going to make some dude want to put his dong in a guy's butt, but I think environmental influences help you reach that end point. These influences don't have to be huge things either, they could be very small seemingly insignificant things that you don't realize are changing your perspective of the world.

But they could be a big thing. I really do believe the home environment you live in can have an impact on your personality (which encompasses sexuality). I think living in a straight average household and growing up their would make you more likely to be straight, and the same is true with homo households. That is not the only result though. I live in the most well behaved white people magic land ever. I still know a bunch of guys who sell weed. That isn't the lifestyle that their home environment has tried to support, but certain influences have led them to that point.

I don't think sexuality is a choice, just like how I don't think I chose any of my other personality features. I think your environment dictates how you'll turn out. All these ideas that you've acquired over the years are because of your environment. You learned about that and so and so told you that, and you built an opinion about it. Your teacher mentioned that one thing and you took it as fact and began to live your life assuming that certain piece of information is true and with that in mind you acted differently than you would have otherwise if you had not acquired that information.

tl;dr lol gay  

Posted by Fysez

It's already been a proven fact for a very long time now that animals have basic communication. Bees (not animals, but still in consideration) having the best communicative techniques away from humans.
Animals like dogs bark to alert and growl to show discomfort and/or aggressiveness.
They cannot bark to say "Hey, goes it going? What's your favorite color, black or white?"



Don't put words in my mouth. If you read the comment, I'm not comparing them directly to terrorists like homosexuals are horrible explosive people aiming to kill others.
It's a contrasting comparison, like comparing dogs to cats.
I could say "how dare you compare dogs and cats? One has claws and so cute while the other slobbers everywhere and eats other animals sloppily."
Maybe try re-reading my comment and then understand what I'm comparing about the two, not that they are completely alike.



I'm female.

Regardless, you should read my full comment on that discussion. Maybe quote it, not take a very small piece of what I said to make it look like what I did say is worse than it actually was.

How is this proven we cannot understand the language of animals, it cannot be proven until we can do at least this.

Guys this thread has gotten out of hand xx, lets stop this whilst we still can.  

This is like that one movie, I forget. Actually now I remember. Malificent. In the story, it seems like the guy was going for the girl, then in the end the "true love" turned out to be the fairy witch main character. Mark my words I bet this will be a big flop because I'm not gay and I really don't think its a good thing to show for children. (That sentence can go very far, but gay is gay) 2 guys making love is not what I would want my kids to see, and definately not a movie with irl charactors! Don't get me wrong about this though, I don't hate gay people just it doesn't seem like the right content aye?  

Posted by mangsi

I find the whole "your environment influences your sexuality" thing total bs.
When I was a girl I was openly homosexual. But, I was raised in a God fearing, bible thumping, straight home. If environment influences your sexuality then I would be straight. Along with all of my other gay or bi friends. Because our environment was against homosexuality.

Just like, if you're raised in a home where say your parents are gay, that won't influence your sexuality. It will simple open your mind to more then just "girls must be with guys".

And further more, sexuality is NOT a choice in any way what so ever. You can not choose to be attracted to the same sex just like you can't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. Again, total BS.

I would have to disagree. I'm just going to write a quick response here because I need to get going for my last final. Environment can have an influence on your sexuality. See, if a "Princes" Disney movie was released I feel rather than promoting just equality for homosexuals, it would have a second effect of setting a new norm for children to follow in the footsteps of their role model princes. Keep in mind, just because you specifically feel you were not influenced by your environment, other people are. Homosexuality can be a choice when you choose to follow your sexual desires for the same sex.

Some of this has probably already been mentioned in the thread. I haven't read all the posts. I was honestly hoping this would end on the first couple pages, but seeing as every time a thread has the word "gay" in it a big debate is sparked. I might as well throw my thoughts out there as well.