Posted by John

Driving high is dangerous yes, but is it more dangerous then driving drunk? No, so should you drive high? Of course not, but trying to prove that driving under the influence of marijuana is almost the same level of driving drunk is just plain WEIRD TBH. Don't even know who brought alcohol into this discussion to begin with.

It's pretty much inevitable that alcohol will enter a conversation about weed, and likewise. The two are just compared so commonly because they're both recreational, "drugs", and a lot of the users don't do both.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

I honestly don't.

Then you have no practical argument in the subject. For starters, if you're referring to a disorder like ADD or ADHD, the prescribed pills are methamphetamine, which was likely intentional as to create a dependency, as you say, by the industry. However, you imply that weed can't cause a dependency. It can cause a mental dependency, unlike methamphetamine, which causes a chemical dependency in order to sustain homeostasis.

There are treatments, and simple behavioural techniques, that are a hell of a lot safer than weed for those and related disorders.

For example, anger is a neurological phenomena that can be resisted after taking an anger management class. I am by no means saying ADHD has a "hyper management class," but I was providing an example.  

Posted by John

Driving high is dangerous yes, but is it more dangerous then driving drunk? No, so should you drive high? Of course not, but trying to prove that driving under the influence of marijuana is almost the same level of driving drunk is just plain WEIRD TBH. Don't even know who brought alcohol into this discussion to begin with.

Ironically enough, it was brought up by the people who are very much in favor of the legalization of marijuana.  

Posted by TWIZ

Then you have no practical argument in the subject. For starters, if you're referring to a disorder like ADD or ADHD, the prescribed pills are methamphetamine, which was likely intentional as to create a dependency, as you say, by the industry. However, you imply that weed can't cause a dependency. It can cause a mental dependency, unlike methamphetamine, which causes a chemical dependency in order to sustain homeostasis.

There are treatments, and simple behavioural techniques, that are a hell of a lot safer than weed for those and related disorders.

For example, anger is a neurological phenomena that can be resisted after taking an anger management class. I am by no means saying ADHD has a "hyper management class," but I was providing an example.

I was mainly referring to anti-depressants. Not sure where you got the ADHD out of that, I was just talking about anti-depressants in my prior posts, kind of thought that people would be reading the posts before providing a post against me.  

Posted by MrSimons

I'm totally against legalizing marijuana. However I don't support the drug war or possession being a criminal offense.

I also can't believe anyone honestly thinks that driving under the influence of marijuana
A. shouldn't be a crime
B. doesn't endanger other people on the road
C. improves your ability to operate a vehicle

As someone who has had to suffer being driven by people under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana (two separate events), I can say that driving high improves your driving just about as much as driving drunk.

Well of course there are dangers of using weed.

I think people just get confused with weed's medical uses as some excuse that its magically not harmful or dangerous.

Posted by CM

A large amount of people who don't smoke marijuana now will very likely make some type of purchase of it.

"Hey, look at this thing that everyone is talking about, I'm going to try it out. Also, it's legal!"

Also, enforced laws are great and all, but underaged drinking is illegal as well, and how many minors drink each year? It's a lot of them, and marijuana will not be an exception.

It's easy enough for enforced laws to be avoided; really, all a teenager has to do in order to even gain access to alcohol is to just take it from mom and dad's alcohol cabinet. I'm not saying every minor would do this, but that's just an example of how accessible it is - marijuana will become the same.

Well cops don't monitor every aspect of life for the common citizen so obviously there are going to be people who disobey the law.

Nothing will have changed from now to until weed gets legalized. It'll still be a drug nevertheless.

Therefore it'll get treated like a drug nevertheless.  

Posted by TWIZ

Then you have no practical argument in the subject. For starters, if you're referring to a disorder like ADD or ADHD, the prescribed pills are methamphetamine, which was likely intentional as to create a dependency, as you say, by the industry. However, you imply that weed can't cause a dependency. It can cause a mental dependency, unlike methamphetamine, which causes a chemical dependency in order to sustain homeostasis.

There are treatments, and simple behavioural techniques, that are a hell of a lot safer than weed for those and related disorders.

For example, anger is a neurological phenomena that can be resisted after taking an anger management class. I am by no means saying ADHD has a "hyper management class," but I was providing an example.

A mental dependency? So in other words a dependency created by your own mind?

All I know is my friend who has been smoking weed forever just quit smoking for six months without any problems.

I've also been dry a lot and didn't really flip ****. I wouldn't go out and suck **** for it like with other drugs, it's not a real addiction like you're trying to make it seem like.

The people that got addicted likely went into it with the pre determined mindset that they would be addicted and their mind fabricated it like so.

Posted by 5hift

Well of course there are dangers of using weed.

I think people just get confused with weed's medical uses as some excuse that its magically not harmful or dangerous.



Well cops don't monitor every aspect of life for the common citizen so obviously there are going to be people who disobey the law.

Nothing will have changed from now to until weed gets legalized. It'll still be a drug nevertheless.

Therefore it'll get treated like a drug nevertheless.

What dangers?  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

I was mainly referring to anti-depressants. Not sure where you got the ADHD out of that, I was just talking about anti-depressants in my prior posts, kind of thought that people would be reading the posts before providing a post against me.

I hope you're not calling an anti-depressant a mental illness, lol. I'll just stop here, unless you want to continue arguing about something that you provided evidence that you have no knowledge in. What "mental illnesses" are you referring to?  

Posted by TWIZ

I hope you're not calling an anti-depressant a mental illness, lol. I'll just stop here, unless you want to continue arguing about something that you provided evidence that you have no knowledge in. What "mental illnesses" are you referring to?

Wow... What the **** are you talking about? I was saying that weed is a better alternative to anti-depressants.

And I was referring to Depression, obviously.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

A mental dependency? So in other words a dependency created by your own mind?

A mental illness? So in other words an illness created by your own mind?

You have extremely flawed logic  

For my buddy Distorted with the A+ suicide joke

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...acts/marijuana

i) These extracts can deliver extremely large amounts of THC to users, and their use has sent some people to the emergency room. Another danger is in preparing these extracts, which usually involves butane (lighter fluid). A number of people who have used butane to make extracts at home have caused fires and explosions and have been seriously burned.

ii) Marijuana overactivates parts of the brain that contain the highest number of these receptors. This causes the "high" that users feel. Other effects include:

altered senses (for example, seeing brighter colors)
altered sense of time
changes in mood
impaired body movement
difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
impaired memory

iii) Marijuana also affects brain development. When marijuana users begin using as teenagers, the drug may reduce thinking, memory, and learning functions and affect how the brain builds connections between the areas necessary for these functions

Breathing problems. Marijuana smoke irritates the lungs, and frequent marijuana smokers can have the same breathing problems that tobacco smokers have. These problems include daily cough and phlegm, more frequent lung illness, and a higher risk of lung infections. Researchers still do not know whether marijuana smokers have a higher risk for lung cancer.

Long-term marijuana use has been linked to mental illness in some users, such as:

temporary hallucinations—sensations and images that seem real though they are not
temporary paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others
worsening symptoms in patients with schizophrenia (a severe mental disorder with symptoms such as hallucinations, paranoia, and disorganized thinking)
Marijuana use has also been linked to other mental health problems, such as:

depression
anxiety
suicidal thoughts among teens  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

What dangers?

Well first of all smoking anything is bad for your lungs, period.

Second of all, weed is a depressant, same as alcohol so it slows the brain down.

The "mellow" effect is basically akin to being somewhat drunk so what do you think is going to happen of somebody high on weed tries to do something that requires precision and concentration like driving?

Look, all I'm saying is a drug is a drug.

Drugs by definition will have some sort of unnatural effect on the body and mind and that unnatural effect can easily disrupt what is natural.  

Posted by TWIZ

A mental illness? So in other words an illness created by your own mind?

You have extremely flawed logic

Can't reply to that.

That was the original reason I turned down anti-depressants though, I suppose after being told I had it my mind fabricated it.

So yeah.

Posted by 5hift

Well first of all smoking anything is bad for your lungs, period.

Second of all, weed is a depressant, same as alcohol so it slows the brain down.

The "mellow" effect is basically akin to being somewhat drunk so what do you think is going to happen of somebody high on weed tries to do something that requires precision and concentration like driving?

Marijuana smoke isn't bad for your lungs, it doesn't contain the same chemicals as tobacco which harm you.

I have stated that I don't believe in smoking and driving though, so I'll agree with the rest of your post.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

That was the original reason I turned down anti-depressants though, I suppose after being told I had it my mind fabricated it.

I'm on anti-depressants again, and I was on them a few years ago, and I can say without a doubt that they can be far less dangerous than marijuana. Although I am for legalization of it.  

Posted by Yog

I'm on anti-depressants again, and I was on them a few years ago, and I can say without a doubt that they can be far less dangerous than marijuana. Although I am for legalization of it.

When I say dangerous I mean psychically. They're insanely bad for you.

"Common Side Effects of Antidepressants

Antidepressants can sometimes cause a wide range of unpleasant side effects, including:

nausea
increased appetite and weight gain
loss of sexual desire and other sexual problems, such as erectile dysfunction and decreased orgasm
fatigue and drowsiness
insomnia
dry mouth
blurred vision
constipation
dizziness
agitation
irritability
anxiety"

http://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-a...ntidepressants  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

Marijuana smoke isn't bad for your lungs, it doesn't contain the same chemicals as tobacco which harm you.

Horse****, marijuana smoke is just as bad as smoking cigs. There are 33 cancer causing chemicals in weed so you tell me what exactly isn't bad for your lungs. The THC has slight anti-tumor properties but that can't possibly compensate for the amount of tar weed deposits in your lungs.