Posted by Kyle Del. M. H.

My dream team:
spodermen his English will K.O everyone

ooo brun  

Posted by GOAT

the problem with the mix tournament was that it was given no credibility because of the lack of competition, so if this is true it will only make the mix gst better.

Lack of Competition....there were 2 good idev teams, one of which making it to the final. Mixed was formerly between the same 3 teams, but now mixed is becoming annoyingly more difficult in a broad perspective.

On another note, we aren't in the drain Kuz, just scheduling tore us up there. Nothing we could do, I'm still satisfied. After all, we're all talking as if a belt and hat instantly make us celebrities.  

you guys are deluded by this idea that winning the GST makes your guild good
pretty sure I could do the necessary things required to give my guild a ~99% chance to win every time, except it'd make my guild terrible  

a.k.a last minute tag everyone. In your case, you probably have the connections to put some of these posted dream teams together, but it would lead to exactly what you said. The problem is nobody realizes this. I always considered making a guild of my own but with the current pool of people now isn't the time. I'll stick with Deity as they don't just noob recruit last second.  

All the legend of zelda owners sue the heck out of em  

Posted by Thallen

you guys are deluded by this idea that winning the GST makes your guild good
pretty sure I could do the necessary things required to give my guild a ~99% chance to win every time, except it'd make my guild terrible

The thread is about GST Dream Teams, I am pretty sure to be a dream team you should have the potential to win the GST.

Fulgore i'm just saying that Eko was a big part of Deity, and it might take Deity a bit of time to find a replacement but when you guys do i'm sure you'll me favorites again (right now I think you guys will be semi finalists for the next GST with your current team) You guys don't practice until like a week before gst together. There is always space for improvement.

I always deemed Mixed tougher than iDevice as Mixed has more variety. iDevice the first like 4 rounds are pretty easy because out of the 64 teams only like 2 of them will have the potential to win, whereas in mixed the first round may be easy but after that it gets really hard.  

Posted by Fulgore

Lack of Competition....there were 2 good idev teams, one of which making it to the final. Mixed was formerly between the same 3 teams, but now mixed is becoming annoyingly more difficult in a broad perspective.

when i made my statement i was referring to the history of the mix tournament. The first 8+ mix gst's had one one good team that was almost guaranteed the tournament. First it was US taking advantage of the 4th gen iphoners and then they were replaced by Mother once they made their decent team. Once all the pro sparers from Mother stopped doing the gst more teams started coming together.
Previous statements regarding the mix tournament--v

Posted by GOAT

i predict that for the first time since they split the devices, the mixed tournament is going to be the more more interesting tournament.

Posted by GOAT

no questions or complains just some comments

1. congratulations to the winners

2. last 4 device matches were pretty intense and fun to watch

3. mix was quite competitive compared to previous seasons

4. i saw a couple teams get fair re-starts so gj to the people hosting.

5. that girl in the idevice final that called the 'slow down' good call

6. fun GST overall and i didnt see a lot of crying

Posted by Kuz

I always deemed Mixed tougher than iDevice as Mixed has more variety. iDevice the first like 4 rounds are pretty easy because out of the 64 teams only like 2 of them will have the potential to win, whereas in mixed the first round may be easy but after that it gets really hard.

i dont think you know what you are talking about.

Posted by Fulgore

there were 2 good idev teams, one of which making it to the final.

Posted by Kuz

I always deemed Mixed tougher than iDevice as Mixed has more variety. iDevice the first like 4 rounds are pretty easy because out of the 64 teams only like 2 of them will have the potential to win

let me guess nessa and alumni were the only 2 good teams? a couple gst's ago the alumni team(mainly members of "everyone") was just a bunch of delaying noobs, but now theyre good? Your opinions hold no value as they are clearly biased because you replied with the mentality of mix tournament vs idevice tournament. As far as competitive teams go, both tournaments had enough strong teams to make it interesting.
Note: i seriously doubt many people gave nessa a chance to win besides themselves.

Posted by GOAT

very few people have shown loyalty in iGraal. The majority of the players only care about themselves and their graal "status" in the community, so most of them will go with the option that will benefit them the most

Posted by Fulgore

a.k.a last minute tag everyone. In your case, you probably have the connections to put some of these posted dream teams together, but it would lead to exactly what you said. The problem is nobody realizes this. I always considered making a guild of my own but with the current pool of people now isn't the time. I'll stick with Deity as they don't just noob recruit last second.

I just want people to understand that its hard for people to show true loyalty in iGraal. Look at all the Mother idevicers that left when they realized they were not going to win the gst with that guild.




Another note: dont trash the people that make last minute teams for gst. The so called true sparing guilds are just as bad. They recruit for the sole purpose of the gst, and if you dont believe me go to the guild spar room and you will only see them the week prior to the gst.

AND im not trashing the mix gst, im only saying more strong teams will make it better.  

like the Perez Hilton of the spar community  

Posted by Fulgore

If you could manage an entire roster for the GST, which players out of everyone (old and new) would you all have on your team to win? Keep in mind that guild spar is very different than normal spar, have fun thinking and debating. Listing reasons why would be cool too.

The list is in the kiosk, most likely any one of the staff on the first 2 pages of GP can upload.

/thread  

Posted by Thallen

like the Perez Hilton of the spar community

Where's your sex tape at?  

Posted by Kuz

Talbourn's bring up his own team and they are looking deadly

He's tried it once before. There are reputable players becoming a part of this new team, although I cannot vouch for their cooperative teamwork. Plenty of them are great people and excellent fighters from any angle (not to mention great friends), but the team itself will need work before being considered "deadly". I've never been a part of a team led by Tal, but I think he may possess the ability to tune and condition his new assembly before the next competition. Apply what Kuz said about Alumni to this newborn guild; Only time will tell.

Posted by GOAT

very few people have shown loyalty in iGraal. The majority of the players only care about themselves and their graal "status" in the community, so most of them will go with the option that will benefit them the most.

Unfortunately, this appears to be the source of failure in many newer players trying to join competitive guilds. The good news is that from personal experience, this mentality wears off eventually and (in my opinion) a real teammate is made.

I'd rather see 60 teams full of 7 proud, loyal members than 7 monster teams of 60 players sporting the guild tag for show. This is a rather extreme example, but yeah.  

this whole idea of guild loyalty and "real teams" is disgusting. let's be honest, 99% of the people preaching "real teams" only assemble their guilds for the purpose of winning the gst. your members are only "loyal" because they think they can win and they allow you to use them for GST. they are not your "friends" they are internet people playing a game, and their goal is to win in the game. this is evident by people ditching their "friends" for different guilds just for a "better GST team." ex: (Ruthless),(DoT), me from (US) to (Sage), eko from (Deity) to (Alumni), roxas from (Ruthless) crew to (5pa4), etc... hope you all realize this eventually.

don't get mad at me for being the only person to be real with you on these forums.

with that being said, tae and yurhomi are the 2 most loyal members of any guild ever formed. been with me since i picked them up when they were nobodies.  

99% may be a bit of a stretch, but you're on the right tracks. Sometimes the reason for leaving a guild is not as close to the surface as one might imagine, and the same goes for a player joining a new guild. For the most part, though, you're on point.

Come to think of it, I think loads of every present day guilds have some sort of that going on somewhere. It doesn't necessarily taint the guild or the player, but it is undoubtedly negative and sadly exists.

Posted by Comyt

with that being said, tae and yurhomi are the 2 most loyal members of any guild ever formed. been with me since i picked them up when they were nobodies.

Maybe not more than anyone ever depending on who's opinion you ask, but that truly is an admirable reference.  

Posted by Comyt

let's be honest, 99% of the people preaching "real teams" only assemble their guilds for the purpose of winning

Alumni didn't enter their first GST until 6 months after the guild was made, because I continued to concede to my friends in US out respect to the guild, so I'm either in the 1% or you're just incorrect - either way, why should the purpose of any sparring guild not be to win? You know you can structure your guild so that you give yourself a chance to win while still maintaining some dignity and respect to your loyal and contributing members, right?

Posted by Comyt

your members are only "loyal" because they think they can win and they allow you to use them for GST

say that to people like Daze (1+ year in Alumni, never been in GST), Male (been sat out of every GST), Junior (sat him out of last GST), etc.
maybe the concept is beyond your grasp, but some players enjoy being part of a well-organized group of people that get along and do well together in the game

clearly what you've said is the case for certain people, and everyone knows that, but I don't understand why you preach it as if it's some well-guarded secret that only you know about
yes, we all know that some people are attracted to guilds with a reputation and they show loyalty to that guild in part because they feel as if the guild benefits them - it's not a secret

Posted by Comyt

this is evident by people ditching their "friends" for different guilds just for a "better GST team"

"because 1 person does something, all people do something"
stop polarizing and acting as if everyone does something because certain people do something
I mean, no **** that certain people leave their guild out of interest in joining a more competitive guild, but who doesn't expect that out of certain people?

some people do it and some people don't

Posted by Comyt

don't get mad at me for being the only person to be real with you on these forums

you tha reali$t man

Posted by Winter

Maybe not more than anyone ever depending on who's opinion you ask, but that truly is an admirable reference.

both asked to join Alumni
briefly recruited Tae
that's all I'll say because anything more will get an angsty and emotional status from Yurhomi (go ahead, you always do this)

cue the random personal attacks because I challenged someone's thought process regarding the semantics of guilds on Graal  

I'm not sure if Comyt was specifically referring to Alumni when he said "your guild" and "your members", but Thallen presents valid examples in opposition in general. Also defensive, but proven rightfully so. Although, let's cut the slander, guys. No one wants to read it, and neither of you want to type it.

Posted by Thallen

yes, we all know that some people are attracted to guilds with a reputation and they show loyalty to that guild in part because they feel as if the guild benefits them - it's not a secret

Hmm, I think that perhaps this is a common bond formed in guilds between its members that initially holds the team together. Maybe the behavior is positive in some circumstances rather than negative. Perhaps it depends on the player in question. (People naturally feel the need to be proud of where they are.)