PKing is using 4 directional arrows and one sword button while swinging at targets other people are also attacking and most people who PK towers just enter the flag room and look for low HP players to kill it's not that difficult and PKing in a tower isn't going to make someone better than someone who PKs in riots or whatever, the person doing riots is just being more efficient with their time.

You don't "become good" at PKing, it's one of the most basic activities in the game, it just comes down to who chooses to be more efficient at it.

Most people who use riots/arrows or any of the methods you guys deem not proper could easily hold up in a fort it's just a waste of their time.  

Posted by Colin

PKing is using 4 directional arrows and one sword button while swinging at targets other people are also attacking and most people who PK towers just enter the flag room and look for low HP players to kill it's not that difficult and PKing in a tower isn't going to make someone better than someone who PKs in riots or whatever, the person doing riots is just being more efficient with their time.

You don't "become good" at PKing, it's one of the most basic activities in the game, it just comes down to who chooses to be more efficient at it.

Most people who use riots/arrows or any of the methods you guys deem not proper could easily hold up in a fort it's just a waste of their time.

I agree with and understand what you're saying. Riots are the most efficient way, that much is clear and obvious. This is why I'm saying that rioting doesn't make your kills illegitimate, as Penguin says. This list shouldn't be a thing.

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HOWEVER, you do "become good" at PKing. Take away the riots(which they've already been working towards, like it or not), and the fact is that those who weren't rioting will be the ones more efficient at PKing, because they've honed their movements, reaction time, and hitting without getting hit. You can't disagree with the fact that experience makes you better at doing things, can you?

 

force what you put in that spoiler is pretty much becoming good at sparring. PKing at the core which you described is applying sparring fundamentals to killing multiple people.  

Posted by Comyt

force what you put in that spoiler is pretty much becoming good at sparring. PKing at the core which you described is applying sparring fundamentals to killing multiple people.

Exactly, and you have to "become good" at sparring in order to do well. Let's make a comparison to sparring. Sparrers generally frown upon those that selectively spar, correct? Why are they frowned upon? They're using the most efficient way to gain wins, aren't they? As Fulgore once told me, only use the tournament rooms if you want to improve your skills. This is the same with PKing, jumping in a riot won't improve your skills. But just because you aren't getting any better while you're doing that, it doesn't mean your kills are illegitimate as Penguin says. He's acting as if it's straight out cheating.

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It's the most efficient way to PK, so I can see why people dedicated to sparring use the riots to raise their pks up. They already have the skills that they need.

Hopefully in these last two posts I've put it all in an easy to understand way.

TL;DR: Penguin's list is dumb, pks are relevant as long as you don't cheat(which is resettable), you do become better at PKing overtime  

you got it right man there is nothing wrong with the way any player chooses to play the game, nobody is breaking the rules. at the end of the day people will be mad because your stats are inflated from playing the game in a different way, but you aren't doing anything illegal so who cares  

Posted by Comyt

you got it right man there is nothing wrong with the way any player chooses to play the game, nobody is breaking the rules. at the end of the day people will be mad because your stats are inflated from playing the game in a different way, but you aren't doing anything illegal so who cares

This is a better summary, +rep
If people are going to get mad over some petty stuff, they need to reassess themselves.  

LMFAO ‘who didn’t riot, boost or arrow spam’give over half or more of that group had field days at mod, many had pk party at there house when kills counted there and before stuff changed, Sure thing the amount of PK’s they have is impressive for anyone to do but to say they all never once done any of them things is a massive lie, whether they confess or not. Ik for sure on some of them.  

^^^^  

Posted by Colin

You don't "become good" at PKing, it's one of the most basic activities in the game, it just comes down to who chooses to be more efficient at it.

You become "better" at PKing the same way you get good at 1v1-- hit other people more than they hit you, and have a higher KD ratio-- metrics the game does not even measure. The only metric the game does measure is kill count, which only shows the amount of time you spend on the game x your "efficiency." And the "most efficient" way of adding kills is braindead button mashing in a highly dense spot; at which point can hardly be called a game anymore, so what's the point?  

Dark must be taken off, he boosted 150k pks by killing me 150k times  

Posted by Comyt

i believe their issue with arrows is the players who would hole themselves in a corner at MoD fort and just infinitely fire arrows into the mob of people outside of the fort, racking up an insane amount of kills really quickly.

Oh, that's definitely scummy.

I don't go to specific areas, I literally roam around the entire map and kill anyone I walk by, using arrows only to create distance or get someone running away. I try and have fun, so I try and kill everyone, high HP or not. I feel I'm the only legit PKer doing this lol.  

It is impossible to tell who a "top pker" is with or without the use of this stuff.

Pk numbers are directly correlated with time spent pking. All one can do is become more efficient with their time. If by top, you mean "highest numbers" then go crazy with these arguments, but the discussion is pointless if I can just pk slowly and eventually pass you people who quit, even if I were to suck at it. Do I then become a better pker than you because I passed you in number of pks? Even if I did it without any of this? Lol  

Posted by Fulgore

It is impossible to tell who a "top pker" is with or without the use of this stuff.

Pk numbers are directly correlated with time spent pking. All one can do is become more efficient with their time. If by top, you mean "highest numbers" then go crazy with these arguments, but the discussion is pointless if I can just pk slowly and eventually pass you people who quit, even if I were to suck at it. Do I then become a better pker than you because I passed you in number of pks? Even if I did it without any of this? Lol

Twilit's comment goes along with this:

Posted by twilit

You become "better" at PKing the same way you get good at 1v1-- hit other people more than they hit you, and have a higher KD ratio-- metrics the game does not even measure. The only metric the game does measure is kill count, which only shows the amount of time you spend on the game x your "efficiency." And the "most efficient" way of adding kills is braindead button mashing in a highly dense spot; at which point can hardly be called a game anymore, so what's the point?

How many kills you get before each death is a good measure of PK skill. A kill-death ratio would be comparable to win-loss.  

I don't think the kill/death ratio of pkers can be a good way to measure how good you are at pking. Yeah it's a good way to measure how good someone is at avoiding getting killed and killing other people, but you get deaths by doing other activities, most pkers also have lots of bks, which also counts towards your death ratio, maybe they should only count deaths inside towers that would be a good way to measure skill if that's what you guys are looking for, but other poets probably have racked up a lot of deaths from bking or any other activists that aren't pking!

But that being said I will agree the kill/death ratio is probably the best evidence we have of someone being good at pk!  

I appreciate everyone who had my back about this, but honestly, I don't think it is even worth discussing anymore. The pk communities form their own opinions about players. I'm happy that a lot of people see me as a quality and "legitimate" pker, and that is all the validation I would need about my ability and place. Being left off of a subjective and biased (im not going to even say the creator has anything against me, people are biased whether they like it or not) list doesn't phase me, and I really hope that it doesn't bother anyone else.

Not Pking in mobs was a choice, but I, and whoever else did not, made that choice for themselves. This argument is entirely devoid of ways to prove you didn't use mobs. But that shouldn't bother anyone, because if you didn't pk in mobs you'll know that for yourself.

Posted by Fulgore

Problem with k/d display is that often the best way to defend a tower against a lot of people is to just sit in front of a door and spam until you die, which isn't a great way to get kills.

This is also true, and has to be thought about