Posted by Kendama

Well I don't find it really racist. The world hates ISIS/ISIL because they are slaughtering innocent people/civilians and initiating fear and terror.

Sounds like USA to me.  

Posted by Crono

I don't understand how people are missing my actual point.

No one is going to argue with you about being a hypocrite, because everyone knows they are.

Posted by PumaD

Sounds like USA to me.

Is there any other way to defend against terrorism besides air striking civilian populated areas? /s  

Posted by MrSimons

Is there any other way to defend against terrorism besides air striking civilian populated areas? /s

If we ignore that it isn't any defend and forget the fact that some people are bloody ******ed criminals, let's say no.  

Posted by PumaD

If we ignore that it isn't any defend and forget the fact that some people are bloody ******ed criminals, let's say no.

wat  

Posted by MrSimons

wat

Those actions taken by the US are anything but "defense". And l called them ******ed criminal people.  

War involves the lives of innocent civilians whether we like it or not.

The fact that this thread went from a debate regarding big companies taking symbolic speech into their own hands to the shortcomings of the U.S. military is absolutely hilarious.  

Posted by PumaD

Those actions taken by the US are anything but "defense". And l called them ******ed criminal people.

You are so ignorant.

1. They are right across the Atlantic Ocean from the US. It's not like we have the largest Naval and Airforce in the world, so if they wanted, they could easily invade the US.

2. The enemy is uneducated religious fanatics living in mud huts while evading their own government, they definitely have WMDs and are going to use them at any moment.

3. The entire world is the United States of America, so it is the US's responsibility to take care of this.

How someone can honestly say that invading foreign countries and carpet bombing impoverished terrorists living around civilians is not National Defense is beyond me.

Posted by 5hift

War involves the lives of innocent civilians whether we like it or not.

The fact that this thread went from a debate regarding big companies taking symbolic speech into their own hands to the shortcomings of the U.S. military is absolutely hilarious.

Who the hell really wants to talk about Apple banning a flag? It's more interesting to talk about fighting terrorism.  

Posted by MrSimons

You are so ignorant.

1. They are right across the Atlantic Ocean from the US. It's not like we have the largest Naval and Airforce in the world, so if they wanted, they could easily invade the US.

2. The enemy is uneducated religious fanatics living in mud huts while evading their own government, they definitely have WMDs and are going to use them at any moment.

3. The entire world is the United States of America, so it is the US's responsibility to take care of this.

How someone can honestly say that invading foreign countries and carpet bombing impoverished terrorists living around civilians is not National Defense is beyond me.

Aight. Take a look at
This

"Another DIA report, written in August 2012 (the same time period the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from Libya to Syria), said that the opposition in Syria was driven by al Qaeda and other extremist Muslim groups: “the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.” The growing sectarian direction of the war was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included the “grave danger” of the rise of ISIS:

The deterioration of the situation has dire consequences on the Iraqi situation and are as follows:

This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.

Some of the “dire consequences” are blacked out but the DIA presciently warned one such consequence would be the “renewing facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world entering into Iraqi Arena.”

Let's get into those criminals now. There are way too much to talk about but let's have an example: George W Bush Jr:

1st: "his" war against Iraq killed about 1 million people. How many of those were "terrorists"? I believe.. around.. 1%?

2nd: The war lead into conflicts between Sunnitesand Shiites, having Bush agitating. The religious balance within the middle East was destroyed and lead into a lot of civil wars and "religious" wars (MIND: terror does not know any religion.).

3rd: Because of the divestiture of Iraq (because of Bush, again) the military balance was heavily damaged, if not destroyed. They created chaos which is the reason the arabic world is near an ending right now.

4th: Bush invented the best "terror breeding program" using his stupid and non-logical bomb wars. Before his "anti terror wars" there was a record of 1000 internation terrorists, nowadays there is a record of 100.000 and more.

5th: One of Bush's terror breeding program is the IS. The IS was made after the US-American soldiers attacked and invaded Iraq by Al Zarkawi. The IS is an answer/respond to the Iraq-war. Despite it being a cruel, wrong, criminal and inhuman respond because killing poor civilians is NEVER to be justified. But whoever opens the gates to hell on earth shouldn't wonder if they meet satanic, diabolic gestalts.

I can get more arguements but I think this point should be clear now.

The bombs are killing a lot of people who have nothing to do with any government of any Arabic state, nothing to do with any terrorists nor any of that absurd kind. The Pakistani lawyer S. Akbar has stated solid evidence that 90% of drone-victims are innocent people (since January 2015). And do you know how these people are called? "Collateral damage". Ago a while, Obama had to apologize because one American and Italian hostage were killed by a drone, yet he doesn't have to apologize when there is over thousand of Afghan and Pakistani people dying because of drones? I don't think that looks "fair" aswell. Is western people blood more worth, is character a matter of luck?
The police informer of the US are often having personal issues with people they report and the drones/signature strikes report a lot of attitudes as something dangerous, leading into innocent people being killed aswell. In 24.10.2012, north-Waziristan, the 67 years old lady Momina Bibi was killed while harvesting her vegetables. The drone reported her for burying explosive charges and killed her. Of course this is only one example, but I can't name the other 1000+ examples. Drones are a crime, whatever their use is, innocent people are the ones suffering the most of thems. Saying that, people who order those drones are criminals being (another reason Germany and German people voted NO when they were asked about the usage of drones).

You don't fight terrorism by killing people, especially not innocent people. While I do get the fact that those terrorists have to be stopped and killed if needed, this is nothing but the wrong way to do so. This is leading into more terrorism which is the opposite of what people claim.

I can go on and offer what other ways there are but at this point I am way too tired. I'm no hater of the United States, in fact I think it's a great country with great people. But the politics and politicans of that country are one of the worst ever seen. The only reason we don't go full spazzed metatron **** on them is because they're the superior country. What do you think if USA would be threated the same way Russia is today, or any other Arabic state? I'm not ignorant at all, but those facts are pretty clear and obvious. I didn't backup everything I've typed with evidence because it would take me too much of time but I believe I stated enough evidence to underline my expression. The States aren't in need to take care of it because "they're the world" but because they're the cause of this happening. There are plenty ways to take care of this, ways who don't lead into innocent people being killed. And I doubt the IS could easily invade the US. Have you seen what weapons most of the IS-fighters have? It's easy to talk about it if you haven't experienced it yourself, sadly.

I hope this wall of text doesn't have too much mistakes, but o well.  

Posted by PumaD

Let's get into those criminals now. There are way too much to talk about but let's have an example: George W Bush Jr:

1st: "his" war against Iraq killed about 1 million people. How many of those were "terrorists"? I believe.. around.. 1%?

2nd: The war lead into conflicts between Sunnitesand Shiites, having Bush agitating. The religious balance within the middle East was destroyed and lead into a lot of civil wars and "religious" wars (MIND: terror does not know any religion.).

3rd: Because of the divestiture of Iraq (because of Bush, again) the military balance was heavily damaged, if not destroyed. They created chaos which is the reason the arabic world is near an ending right now.

4th: Bush invented the best "terror breeding program" using his stupid and non-logical bomb wars. Before his "anti terror wars" there was a record of 1000 internation terrorists, nowadays there is a record of 100.000 and more.

5th: One of Bush's terror breeding program is the IS. The IS was made after the US-American soldiers attacked and invaded Iraq by Al Zarkawi. The IS is an answer/respond to the Iraq-war. Despite it being a cruel, wrong, criminal and inhuman respond because killing poor civilians is NEVER to be justified. But whoever opens the gates to hell on earth shouldn't wonder if they meet satanic, diabolic gestalts.

I can get more arguements but I think this point should be clear now.

The bombs are killing a lot of people who have nothing to do with any government of any Arabic state, nothing to do with any terrorists nor any of that absurd kind. The Pakistani lawyer S. Akbar has stated solid evidence that 90% of drone-victims are innocent people (since January 2015). And do you know how these people are called? "Collateral damage". Ago a while, Obama had to apologize because one American and Italian hostage were killed by a drone, yet he doesn't have to apologize when there is over thousand of Afghan and Pakistani people dying because of drones? I don't think that looks "fair" aswell. Is western people blood more worth, is character a matter of luck?
The police informer of the US are often having personal issues with people they report and the drones/signature strikes report a lot of attitudes as something dangerous, leading into innocent people being killed aswell. In 24.10.2012, north-Waziristan, the 67 years old lady Momina Bibi was killed while harvesting her vegetables. The drone reported her for burying explosive charges and killed her. Of course this is only one example, but I can't name the other 1000+ examples. Drones are a crime, whatever their use is, innocent people are the ones suffering the most of thems. Saying that, people who order those drones are criminals being (another reason Germany and German people voted NO when they were asked about the usage of drones).

You don't fight terrorism by killing people, especially not innocent people. While I do get the fact that those terrorists have to be stopped and killed if needed, this is nothing but the wrong way to do so. This is leading into more terrorism which is the opposite of what people claim.

I can go on and offer what other ways there are but at this point I am way too tired. I'm no hater of the United States, in fact I think it's a great country with great people. But the politics and politicans of that country are one of the worst ever seen. The only reason we don't go full spazzed metatron **** on them is because they're the superior country. What do you think if USA would be threated the same way Russia is today, or any other Arabic state? I'm not ignorant at all, but those facts are pretty clear and obvious. I didn't backup everything I've typed with evidence because it would take me too much of time but I believe I stated enough evidence to underline my expression. The States aren't in need to take care of it because "they're the world" but because they're the cause of this happening. There are plenty ways to take care of this, ways who don't lead into innocent people being killed. And I doubt the IS could easily invade the US. Have you seen what weapons most of the IS-fighters have? It's easy to talk about it if you haven't experienced it yourself, sadly.

I hope this wall of text doesn't have too much mistakes, but o well.

I almost want to read this text wall and have an actual discussion with you because I feel bad about making you type that out for nothing. I figured your OP was too obviously troll bait to be a serious post.  

Posted by MrSimons

I almost want to read this text wall and have an actual discussion with you because I feel bad about making you type that out for nothing. I figured your OP was too obviously troll bait to be a serious post.

The first one was a bait, yea. But I realized this shouldn't be anything to troll about. I mean, innocent people are dying. I grew up in war, lost a lot of family and my parents and family still have mental issues because of that. If I would be trolling about it I'd be kinda hypocritical now, I guess. The long wall of text however was serious.

If you want to have a discussion we can do that aswell, I'm always happy to be proven wrong! =]

lul glazey lulll

I wanted to troll Kendama a bit to be fair, regardless of my opinion being no different.  

Posted by PumaD

The first one was a bait, yea. But I realized this shouldn't be anything to troll about. I mean, innocent people are dying. I grew up in war, lost a lot of family and my parents and family still have mental issues because of that. If I would be trolling about it I'd be kinda hypocritical now, I guess. The long wall of text however was serious.

If you want to have a discussion we can do that aswell, I'm always happy to be proven wrong! =]

tl;dr on text wall? you might want to post it in a new thread though because i have a feeling the mods will descend upon this thread soon.

** I don't want to read the text wall so I have no idea what your opinion even is, and I most likely agree with it, the War on Terror is pretty black and white  

Posted by MrSimons

tl;dr on text wall? you might want to post it in a new thread though because i have a feeling the mods will descend upon this thread soon.

Errr.. TL;DR: USA failed and is part of the reason why there is a lot of terrorism now, their ways were causing more harm than good.
I'm not gonna open a new thread because **** Talon and **** Imprint  

Posted by PumaD

The first one was a bait, yea. But I realized this shouldn't be anything to troll about. I mean, innocent people are dying. I grew up in war, lost a lot of family and my parents and family still have mental issues because of that. If I would be trolling about it I'd be kinda hypocritical now, I guess. The long wall of text however was serious.

If you want to have a discussion we can do that aswell, I'm always happy to be proven wrong! =]

lul glazey lulll

I wanted to troll Kendama a bit to be fair, regardless of my opinion being no different.

I don't get it?

Posted by PumaD

Errr.. TL;DR: USA failed and is part of the reason why there is a lot of terrorism now, their ways were causing more harm than good.
I'm not gonna open a new thread because **** Talon and **** Imprint

The USA is not "the reason there is a lot of terrorism now". The USA has obliterated terrorist groups yet they keep coming back under different leaderships and radical "ideas".

Military operations in unstable regions have been FAR from perfect and have inflicted civilian casualties and invoked hatred from certain regions. But, the USA is not the "reason" terrorism exists now. Terrorists cause terror, the United States has tried it's best with many successes and failures.

You have no idea where the world would be if the United States has not stepped in to stop terrorist efforts, and don't act like you do. Give me a plausible scenario in which terrorism would be less of a threat if we did not get involved.

Al-Queda reasoning with a bunch of Christian nations? ISIS choosing to stop expanding and beheading non-believers? The Taliban not trying to overtake Afghanistan and turning it into a dangerous radical theocracy nightmare?

I understand someone criticizing the way the US military has gone about some of these operations. Throw some valid (and even I could find a ton) mistakes the US has made or point to certain instances in which we invoked them to respond with terrorism. You could disagree with these wars completely and you would still have a large backbone in your footsteps.

But if you are going to say that we are (part) of the reason terror exists, and that we have not stopped several dangerous rising groups, i want to see some damn facts.

Or are you just trolling me? I do sometimes forget I share these forums with middle schoolers who like to throw off serious topics because they are neglected in real life and need to get attention somehow.  

Posted by Kendama

pleb

Read my wall of text you pleb.  

Instead of just talking **** can you guys provide valid ideas on how America can improve its fight against terrorism?

All I see here is "Wahhh, America isn't doing a good job, wahhh."

Being productive is one thing, but the effectiveness of that productivity is something else entirely.

Ironically, the US hasn't been too productive lately in the fight against ISIS as far as I know.