ONLY DA FAVORABLE GUILDS WOULD TOWER
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Posted by Thallen

"Abusing" it, by making consecutive guilds, which is completely within the rules of the game, which does absolutely nothing but contribute to the activity of towering, which there's absolutely nothing wrong with, which crybabies like you will never, ever stop bawling about.


Leader of 2, member of 2, leading my 3rd as we speak. Explain how that's relevant though? What did asking that question and then having my answer prove?


Because I have absolutely 0 desire to lead a guild for 5000 hours. Did The ABB, took a few months break. Did HH, took a few months break. Did Voxel, took a few months break. Did Special Forces, took a few months break.


Who cares? That's your personal choice. Weren't you calling me a "loser" in another thread because I did 10K kills in a day? Oh, but you're not a loser because you completed "two 10k guilds from pretty much beginning to end?" Seems like you're just spitting out whatever garbage sounds good at this point, blah blah.


I can, but you can't. Just because guilds like The ABB and Voxel completed their goal in less than a month does not make it the standard or the norm. The only guilds that can do that are the very good guilds that control towers like Sardon's or Snowtown 24/7 and have experienced leads and insane activity. So explain why they don't deserve it?


What does that even mean?



Like who? What guilds would start towering? What guilds that the current 1K guilds aren't already better than? It won't get changed to 2.5K, because the admins aren't stupid and they know what's best for this game.

You can continue to cry and complain because it apparently grinds your gears that people are walking around Graal with their friends in their shiny tower guild hats, but the only people that care are… people like you. How about you lead a guild to 2.5K if that's the best thing for towering right now? What's stopping you? Nothing is, you're just another jealous crybaby who wants to see the enjoyment and fun of others ruined.

It just isn't that much fun to most of us, I return to graal and I find that the only tower guild I recognize is Maphasy, all of the other ones are just hat chasing guilds that are going to stop at 1k. That isn't fun, there is no, per say, "character development" in these guilds- it is just a quick run to 1k, rinse, repeat. It doesn't represent what a guild means in broad terms. It is easier to keep repeating 1k over and over because you will always have hat chasers jumping on, but when you are in a guild that goes past 1k, you find the people who stick around aren't there for a hat but they are there for the guild, its leader, its roots, and its members.

That is why it is pretty pathetic when people like you just keep recreating guilds because you are milking the system. You aren't developing a group of people and friends, you are just recycling the system for one of the dumbest rewards ever. ( a pixel hat for 1000 hours, really?!, you are going to spend most of your time on Graal chasing these instead of creating something to actually show off, guild pride?)  

Guys, Thallen is obviously biased. He doesn't realize that his own actions prove my point. The fact that he has multiple 1k guilds instead of one guild with 4k-5k hours shows how abuse-able the system is.

Posted by Thallen

"Abusing" it, by making consecutive guilds, which is completely within the rules of the game, which does absolutely nothing but contribute to the activity of towering, which there's absolutely nothing wrong with, which crybabies like you will never, ever stop bawling about.

I understand that it's completely in the rules of the game. That doesn't mean that it isn't an abuse of the system though. It happens in real life all the time. People manipulate the stock market. Is it it illegal? No, but they're abusing the system. Just because something is allowed does not mean it's abusing the system.

Posted by Thallen

Leader of 2, member of 2, leading my 3rd as we speak. Explain how that's relevant though? What did asking that question and then having my answer prove?

It proves that you know it's more beneficial to recycle guilds. If it wasn't then you would have a 3k guild, not 3 1k guilds. Please tell me why you would make 3 1k guilds instead of 1 3k? Because it isn't worth it to do a 3k.

Posted by Thallen

Because I have absolutely 0 desire to lead a guild for 5000 hours. Did The ABB, took a few months break. Did HH, took a few months break. Did Voxel, took a few months break. Did Special Forces, took a few months break.

This is inferring that you actually know how to lead a guild at all.

Posted by Thallen

Who cares? That's your personal choice. Weren't you calling me a "loser" in another thread because I did 10K kills in a day? Oh, but you're not a loser because you completed "two 10k guilds from pretty much beginning to end?" Seems like you're just spitting out whatever garbage sounds good at this point, blah blah.

There's a difference between playing 19 hours straight and helping a guild an hour or two daily over the course of a few years. If you think that spending 19 hours on a game is normal, then you should probably get checked out. Aren't you like 25 too? How do you even have that much time on your hands?

Posted by Thallen

I can, but you can't. Just because guilds like The ABB and Voxel completed their goal in less than a month does not make it the standard or the norm. The only guilds that can do that are the very good guilds that control towers like Sardon's or Snowtown 24/7 and have experienced leads and insane activity. So explain why they don't deserve it?

If you consider those guilds very good, I can't even help you. Those guilds had no sense of comradery and were only created for the purpose of getting a reward. For good guilds, look at any guild with over 1,500 hours. That shows that the guild exists for more than claiming a reward. In my mind, a good guild is one that has a purpose other than a reward.

Posted by Thallen

What does that even mean?



Like who? What guilds would start towering? What guilds that the current 1K guilds aren't already better than? It won't get changed to 2.5K, because the admins aren't stupid and they know what's best for this game.

The guilds that actually cared to go past 1k would be the ones left towering. The guilds that are like a family. Those are the guilds I favor. Hence "favorable". Let me make it clear that the only guild I favor at the moment is Maphasy.

Posted by Thallen

You can continue to cry and complain because it apparently grinds your gears that people are walking around Graal with their friends in their shiny tower guild hats, but the only people that care are… people like you. How about you lead a guild to 2.5K if that's the best thing for towering right now? What's stopping you? Nothing is, you're just another jealous crybaby who wants to see the enjoyment and fun of others ruined.

Trust me, I'm not jealous of a 25 year old guy that can afford to spent 19 hours of his day on Graal Online Classic. I have no desire to lead a guild because I've had my fair share of towering and to be frank, I don't feel like doing any more for awhile.

Real guilds will care more about comradery than holding a tower. Pretty much every 1k guild has a strict "No conversing in Guild Chat policy". Guilds that are like a family will want you to talk in guild chat and have conversations.

I realize that you're arrogant and will probably never change your mind regardless of how stupid I make you look.  

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these tower threads are becoming more violent than the spar threads  

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Posted by Thallen

The towering rewards system is just fine after Coco's latest change. Some people seem to think it's reasonable that you're going to come up with a way to make people not want to get the first-tier reward, and you won't be able to. If you were able to, why would you want to? It's people making suggestions that are trying to make towering less active for absolutely no reason. They themselves wouldn't even tower.

So how will changing 1k hats to 2.5k kill towering? If people want the hat bad enough they will go to 2.5k. Plenty of guilds towered before rewards were even a thing, so why would that change?  

Thallen just doesn't want to admit that he's abusing the rewards system by recycling guilds and that if it was to be changed, he would lose his motive to tower.  

Ive said it many times before, if people want to hat chase, let them. If it wasnt for hat chasing guilds, towers would constantly be owned by 2 or 3 full time tower guilds. I remember the time when the first wave of 1k guilds retired it allowed com and vg to hold most of the towers throughout the day. Com was holding 2-4 towers at a time. I dont see how thats any better.  

Posted by Fire Surge

Thallen just doesn't want to admit that he's abusing the rewards system by recycling guilds and that if it was to be changed, he would lose his motive to tower.

The thing is, this isn't really abuse. Perfectly within rules (this has been established I know), and there is absolutely no harm at all done to anyone by doing this. You can't name anyone that's harmed by the current towering system. The argument can be made that the "favorable guilds" you speak of are harmed because they don't get as many rewards as the recycling guilds, then here is food for thought (mind you I'm not attacking you defensive people, just providing my side here):

For example, if one were to say a "favorable guild" such as Maphasy to you is hurt by the current system because they don't get as many rewards, there are 2 main things to consider. The first being that they have the option of just making another guild, with the same family/bond shared in the main guild but just on another tag and doing the same thing for the same rewards. Secondly, if this isn't satisfying/not logical to you, consider the trade-off for not being a "hat chasing 1k recycle guild" the fact that you're part of a guild that is something more along the lines of a family, which is apparently more highly valued than the former.  

Oh noes no het DDDDDDD::: life is kill

Would you believe me when I told you that there was a time when taking forts was just for the fun of taking forts? You know, having big guild battles; hell, there used to be multiple guilds vying for a fort just to have the damn thing. Then of course, once iOS is introduced we have people who orgasm over a hat because they managed to accumulate a total time of 1000 hours and then that's it. They are complete. Nothing else matters up to that point.

guild rewards 4 remov pls

Posted by Toxic

That word choice was unnecessary and vulgar. Try maturing and expanding your vocabulary a bit.

Hey man, pixels can be slutty too. Way to be pixelist you pixelist cis scum.  

Posted by Thallen

The whole system where the leader is allowed to pick who gets the hats out of thin air is just pretty stupid to me. It'd be cooler if there was a system in place that allowed players to feel more secure over getting a reward when helping a guild, but that isn't possible. There's no concept that I can think up that would be an effective way of recording some metric of "this player helped a guild this much." However, it all boils down to selecting the right guild.

But anyway, that player ranted in my PMs for literally hours accusing me of being a poor leader and not knowing how to make a proper selection. The next guild that he moved on to, Shaolin, eventually reached 1000 hours and gave their hat to numerous players who didn't do anything at all for the guild. I think even a few hat spots were sold? I asked him what his opinion of that was and he claimed "he knew it was going to happen so he didn't care."

I know this is a somewhat already solved thread but going back to these I honestly feel the need for a tally system. It would go along fine with the already implemented powers you can allow a player to have. What I mean by this whole tally system is, when the player(s) with the Tally power sees you're working hard and earning your reward, they can add a tally, and they can also take away a tally. And of course to balance this out the player(s) with the power can give the tallies to unlimited amounts of players but the player can only receive 1 tally an hour from that certain Player with the power. Same goes for decreasing.

Along with this suggestion something that'd be really help would be guild logs. Guild logs would be used to record who recruited who, who kicked who, who changed who's rank, and who added or decreased the specified players tally. Guild chat may or may not be a good idea, only if it were to show who sent a message and not the message along with it.

Also with this in mind I'd like to make the point of guild types.
Your guild type would be asked when making the guild.

Towering
Social
Sparring
Multipurpose.

These would allow the necessary power toggles to be displayed.

For the spar option I'd also like to make the point of GS queueing. The power to queue would only allow the player with the selected power toggled to queue in GS arenas so you don't have careless players intentionally screwing up things for you. (also accidentally)

With these ideas out there, I know they probably won't be implemented and they probably have been mentioned before, and if they have I apologize for "stealing" the idea.