Sorry Renegade but, you're seeing things x.x
KSG has half the spread of a PBP Shotgun, also increasing KSG damage would make it just about better than PBP For less  

I dont understand how x.x, if it had 10 damage providing both bullets it it would take 5 shots, pbp is a 4 shot kill, pbp still is better, ive only seen one person wielding the ksg in a month, it was underpowered from the start ;(  

From start it was overpowered, pretty sure thats why it got changed o.O
When I tested with players, they said it was okay now

p.s Love how you skip over the spread ;)  

The thing is, the shield worked too well before. I loved it when I'd out spar them in a base. However, the shield and power has been nerfed and it's sucks now.  

Exactly, worked TOO well :3 Shall see  

Posted by SnakeRekon

Exactly, worked TOO well :3 Shall see

Yes, but now it works much less than it should.  

I didnt skip the spread, im sill certain someones changed it  

the KSG gun still sucks.. end off even though snake you made some amendments to it, it still gets owned by a stupid AK47, snake, how about get 2 people to test the KSG, once holds a KSG the other holds a AK47, you will get your answer that the KSG gets owned by a dumb 2500 gun... so really....

75k compared to 2.5k gun, who will win the 2.5k gun... so is the KSG really worth it's price?  

Posted by Renegade1337

I dont understand how x.x, if it had 10 damage providing both bullets it it would take 5 shots, pbp is a 4 shot kill, pbp still is better, ive only seen one person wielding the ksg in a month, it was underpowered from the start ;(

Yes, and you also have to remember the KSG costs a little over half of the PBP. It isn't supposed to be as good as the PBP. It's like saying the AK should be buffed to make it as good as the BAR.

Posted by romario786

the KSG gun still sucks.. end off even though snake you made some amendments to it, it still gets owned by a stupid AK47, snake, how about get 2 people to test the KSG, once holds a KSG the other holds a AK47, you will get your answer that the KSG gets owned by a dumb 2500 gun... so really....

75k compared to 2.5k gun, who will win the 2.5k gun... so is the KSG really worth it's price?

That's a horrible argument, seeing as it isn't the gun that decides the outcome of a gunfight. It's the wielder. If one knows how to use the KSG correctly, there shouldn't be any problems with it. Plus, the guns are in completely different classes. As Snake said, the KSG is a close quarters gun, which, if you use close quarters, will dominate the AK in CQC. If you're shooting the length of your screen, of course you aren't going to do good against a long-range sprayer.

THINK

Also, gun price to performance ratio isn't ever going to be propoortional. Nothing is. Ever. If a 2.5k gun as good as the AK had price-to-performance ratio proportional to an M4, the M4 would be exactly 50x better than the AK. The M4 in that case would have 400 damage.

You may sit down now.  

Posted by Talon

Yes, and you also have to remember the KSG costs a little over half of the PBP. It isn't supposed to be as good as the PBP. It's like saying the AK should be buffed to make it as good as the BAR.



That's a horrible argument, seeing as it isn't the gun that decides the outcome of a gunfight. It's the wielder. If one knows how to use the KSG correctly, there shouldn't be any problems with it. Plus, the guns are in completely different classes. As Snake said, the KSG is a close quarters gun, which, if you use close quarters, will dominate the AK in CQC. If you're shooting the length of your screen, of course you aren't going to do good against a long-range sprayer.

THINK

Also, gun price to performance ratio isn't ever going to be propoortional. Nothing is. Ever. If a 2.5k gun as good as the AK had price-to-performance ratio proportional to an M4, the M4 would be exactly 50x better than the AK. The M4 in that case would have 400 damage.

You may sit down now.

If this was facebook, i'd so like that.  

Posted by romario786

the KSG gun still sucks.. end off even though snake you made some amendments to it, it still gets owned by a stupid AK47, snake, how about get 2 people to test the KSG, once holds a KSG the other holds a AK47, you will get your answer that the KSG gets owned by a dumb 2500 gun... so really....

75k compared to 2.5k gun, who will win the 2.5k gun... so is the KSG really worth it's price?

Actually it only cost 1.5k now........  

Well, ill leave this thread to this:

The balancing of guns needs to include some philosophy. If all guns are worth they're mantle, people will buy more guns. No ones making me want to buy an Ap0 or a KSG. If I was a new player I'd never buy the m3, knowing that the regular shotgun can own it. I regret buying the mk23 and the Sten. These guns can be great and still be considered balanced. Guns not being owned by everyone for the right reasons = less gralat packs bought/gralats saved and invested.  

Posted by SnakeRekon

If this was facebook, i'd so like that.

There's rep ;)  

Rep just isn't cool as a good old fashioned like >:[

In regards to weapons.. all in due time?  

snake the KSG gun is rubbish i just want my refund simple... i dont want KSG you guys nerffed it off really bad, and i did not get the service which i paid for, therefore i want a refund...