I got to hand it to anyone who leads there guild to 1k+ fort hours. Between when i started playing up till now i find that being at a tower is really boring (no offense to people who take a liking to it).  

Personal opinion: CXE beats pulse
Cruxis was one of the best.



We dont need all these statistics the bottom line is the admin acount benefit.
The fame, the want, they get real easy infantry.

Using stats guild v guild wont support either of us. Cruxis was an admin guild and obviously, had e biggest admin advantage ive ever seen. I was in cruxis from 1200-2100 and trigger was NEVER on. He just had a bunch of people WANTING to be admins that joined and led his guild like arch, Gbaby, pedro.. Ect ect.

Lookwhat happend. Helpingg an admin guild get hours got them recognized. Thats really pitiful gameplay, set up one of the only hardcore guild'ing activites and then having staff alowed to participate right along with players. While it is already OP, having staff offer its OWN members staff positions if they help the staff guild....... Your ignorant if you dont see how thats unfair.


On the otherhand, we can look at cxe and The initiative and its atleast decently better. Initiative isnt competing with players/ Offering staff positions for foolish reasons. Its an actually fair way of choosing for the GFX team. And for CXE, admin positions werent being given out (not like arch could offer positions like trigger could, but still) and the admins involved actually put in the time regulsr guild owners do.

Posted by Chaotic

VG, CoM, and Pulse, arguably the all time best guilds on iClassic weren't staff guilds.

 

Posted by Goblin

Personal opinion: CXE beats pulse
Cruxis was one of the best.

PULSE started from nothing, CXE started from Cruxis (5 full sub guilds, 2200 hours, dedicated leaders already picked).

On the otherhand, we can look at cxe and The initiative and its atleast decently better. Initiative isnt competing with players/ Offering staff positions for foolish reasons. Its an actually fair way of choosing for the GFX team. And for CXE, admin positions werent being given out (not like arch could offer positions like trigger could, but still) and the admins involved actually put in the time regulsr guild owners do.

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CXE has Tuip, Arch, Trigger, Lykke, and Aikan. The Initiative has Trigger, Coco, Tuip, Furryamigo, Lykke, Eon, and many more staff involved, plus the museum. Yet you claim AV, BON, and Ximtra have an "unfair advantage" by having ONE staff member involved. Talk about biased?  

I haven't joined any guilds yet. But if someone owns a social and active guild, I would gladely join it .  

Posted by Vyse Feare

PULSE started from nothing, CXE started from Cruxis (5 full sub guilds, 2200 hours, dedicated leaders already picked).



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CXE has Tuip, Arch, Trigger, Lykke, and Aikan. The Initiative has Trigger, Coco, Tuip, Furryamigo, Lykke, Eon, and many more staff involved, plus the museum. Yet you claim AV, BON, and Ximtra have an "unfair advantage" by having ONE staff member involved. Talk about biased?

Im talking about the leader of a guild. The LEADER of a guild is everything. If a non-admin guild can influnce an admin into that guild, thats amazing.

BoN
Ximtra
and
ESPECIALLY your guild.
Werent active leaders and i saw influnce from BoN and Ximtra members recruiting by advertising admin guilds, but you... oh you... its sad if your advertising your guild on your admin account status. Shame on you.

CXE first off dident advertise this at all, they treated members very respectfully, they had sportsmanship, they dident glitch/cheat towers. And, when arch was leader, he was very active therfore i give him credit
Any admin who is inactive and reaches 1k based off admin guild tactics is pathetic.
Any admin who reaches 1k and is active and puts in the time us regular guild owners do, i can respect you.

The fact of the matter is get mad at guilds like yours because me and ken spent so much of our time getting up there and then you just say "Oh hey, imma make an admin guild and get to 1k" and you pass us very fast. The only advantage you had over any of voyage was your admin. We spent more time than you and had very relativly close stats.


Lastly, initiative isnt competing with regular players. Sure, Its admin benefits have affected our own guilds playercount, but i actually respect trigger because he found a way to create a good guild that isnt competitive with the players guilds, but still be fun. AND offer staff positions in a way that doesnt include helping him take towers... like he used to;  

Im enjoying all the posts.  

Posted by Goblin

Im talking about the leader of a guild. The LEADER of a guild is everything. If a non-admin guild can influnce an admin into that guild, thats amazing.

Lykke, Aikan, Trig, Arch, pretty much all of CXE's staff members joined Cruxis before CXE was opened. So this really doesn't make any sense.

BoN
Ximtra
and
ESPECIALLY your guild.
Werent active leaders and i saw influnce from BoN and Ximtra members recruiting by advertising admin guilds, but you... oh you... its sad if your advertising your guild on your admin account status. Shame on you.

As opposed to Trigger advertising the Initiative in his status? Nothing wrong with doing that, just interesting how he gets a free pass.

CXE first off dident advertise this at all, they treated members very respectfully, they had sportsmanship, they dident glitch/cheat towers. And, when arch was leader, he was very active therfore i give him credit

Go look up what "Unfair advantage" means. My guild had one staff member. CXE had 120+ members, tons of staff, and committed tower takers from day one. So again, this does not make any sense whatsoever.

Any admin who is inactive and reaches 1k based off admin guild tactics is pathetic.
Any admin who reaches 1k and is active and puts in the time us regular guild owners do, i can respect you.

I basically did 90% of the work (Rules, ranks, etc) in AV, and participated in towers daily.

The fact of the matter is get mad at guilds like yours because me and ken spent so much of our time getting up there and then you just say "Oh hey, imma make an admin guild and get to 1k" and you pass us very fast. The only advantage you had over any of voyage was your admin. We spent more time than you and had very relativly close stats.

Maybe if you spent less time whining about every guild that does better than yours, you'd be more successful.

Lastly, initiative isnt competing with regular players. Sure, Its admin benefits have affected our own guilds playercount, but i actually respect trigger because he found a way to create a good guild that isnt competitive with the players guilds, but still be fun. AND offer staff positions in a way that doesnt include helping him take towers... like he used to;

Join the Initiative, ran by top staff members, with a possibility to become staff if you become good enough at GFX, or join little Timmy's art guild with no bonuses whatsoever. Not competing with regular players? Really?

I don't see an issue with staff & their guilds, it's just funny to see how you keep defending the biggest ones, while letting the smaller ones take all the heat.  

Posted by Vyse Feare

Lykke, Aikan, Trig, Arch, pretty much all of CXE's staff members joined Cruxis before CXE was opened. So this really doesn't make any sense.



As opposed to Trigger advertising the Initiative in his status? Nothing wrong with doing that, just interesting how he gets a free pass.



Go look up what "Unfair advantage" means. My guild had one staff member. CXE had 120+ members, tons of staff, and committed tower takers from day one. So again, this does not make any sense whatsoever.



I basically did 90% of the work (Rules, ranks, etc) in AV, and participated in towers daily.



Maybe if you spent less time whining about every guild that does better than yours, you'd be more successful.



Join the Initiative, ran by top staff members, with a possibility to become staff if you become good enough at GFX, or join little Timmy's art guild with no bonuses whatsoever. Not competing with regular players? Really?

I don't see an issue with staff & their guilds, it's just funny to see how you keep defending the biggest ones, while letting the smaller ones take all the heat.

Initiative Contributes to the game. All your guild does is worsen the hatred people like me have against staff participation.

Graal has a GFX staff team. I know most people can see that a GFX guild run by the head of Graphics who is barley competing with anyone is fine. The extra advantages such as secret rooms are iffy but graal isnt perfect. Initiative is a bright idea to fix the solution of random GFXers and Helpful tower takers being randomly added to staff. This will help keep staff recruitment and tower taking far apart.

And.. uhh.... btw dip, this is a site for discussing and when you see someone is discussing what is unfair about admins owning guilds to compete with towers, its pretty lame to just call them "whining" because your a victim.

Staff always say somthing smart like "Maybe if you spent less time whining about every guild that does better than yours, you'd be more successful."
I dont even know how that makes sence. honestly. How, when i have spent 500+ hours alone working on voyage with towers, me posting on the forums against what you do, is affecting our towers.  

Posted by Goblin

And.. uhh.... btw dip, this is a site for discussing and when you see someone is discussing what is unfair about admins owning guilds to compete with towers, its pretty lame to just call them "whining" because your a victim.

There's a difference between politely stating your opinion on the topic VS insulting every successful staff guild like you did. I'm not going to restate everything I've already said, anyone can see that both CXE and the Initiative have the same, if not many more advantages than any of the other staff guilds.  

Im totally bashing all sucessful admin guilds right.

I believe tower/GS admin guilds shouldnt exist. So yes.

But i am only bashing the ones that started off of using admin fame then hit
1k way too fast for how much experience they had.


And being a person who is affected awfully by what you did, your not really in the position to tell me im wrong. You never tried to lead a regular guild to
1k.  

Posted by Goblin

The fact of the matter is get mad at guilds like yours because me and ken spent so much of our time getting up there and then you just say "Oh hey, imma make an admin guild and get to 1k" and you pass us very fast. The only advantage you had over any of voyage was your admin. We spent more time than you and had very relativly close stats.

dude what is your problem, and why are you attacking Vyse and his guild?
You know there are other admin guilds right?
Hello, Helsing which has the entire Zanza alliance, Cruxis which has all the members of their alliance, Magic and all of them...all of which have tons of admins...yet you're hating on guilds that just have one admin leader?

I've read your posts and I don't see any logic behind it  

I completely forgot about Helsing, They RELIED on admins lol. The admins barely helped at all, but they got that damn sign in that treehouse or whatever looking all cocky. Like your applying for a good paying job or something lol.  

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I am not hating i am showing my disapointment and disagreement
If your going to be on a dicussing board you need to find other ways to talk besides telling someone their hating. Im showing disagreement.

your posts you sound pretty hateful...or maybe not hateful just really bitchy

Read again. I hate how cruxis worked. CXE is alot more fair as staff positions arent offered and players work along owning it. It also isnt advertised by admins.

And no. I originally was saying how admin guilds get benefits by the sheer fact that an admin owns it. I was saying how you should either be an admin, or a tower guild leader. Pick before. Dont choose both.
I used your guild along with others as examples of this advantage. Players like admins more. Tell me how Gbaby got filled with people who towered over him in kills. More examples with you. I was saying how sheer admin publicity gives outrageous advantages usually hidden from the average eye. Its NOT hidden from the eye of guilds like mine when they just soar to 1k instantly, no hard start, no nothing.

Then you came involved all about leaving your guild out of the examples by being defensinve and end up blaming others like initiative and cxe.

Which then i pointed out how inititaive and cxe are more respectable then your ways eve will.

Gbaby and Brotherhood of Ninjas is a fairly old guild...he lost is ipod or whatever and lost his guild for a pretty long time, then he came back and AFTER he brought his guild back to life and AFTER he got his guild to 1k he became an admin.  

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Posted by Goblin

your posts you sound pretty hateful...or maybe not hateful just really bitchy

Gbaby and Brotherhood of Ninjas is a fairly old guild...he lost is ipod or whatever and lost his guild for a pretty long time, then he came back and AFTER he brought his guild back to life and AFTER he got his guild to 1k he became an admin.

Your wrong. On everything
He never lost his ipod (for any signifigant time noting ive been nonstop friends with him since he started)

BoN had 90 fort hours, he then gave up and joined cruxis, he became admin along same time as arch and pedro did, then he led to 1k.

He cant bring guild to 1k as player. But he can as admin.
Im not dishing out gbaby, im saying its the proof of how it is and admins who are involved with forts are too ignorant to see.  

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Posted by Rexx

Your wrong. On everything
He never lost his ipod (for any signifigant time noting ive been nonstop friends with him since he started)

BoN had 90 fort hours, he then gave up and joined cruxis, he became admin along same time as arch and pedro did, then he led to 1k.

He cant bring guild to 1k as player. But he can as admin.
Im not dishing out gbaby, im saying its the proof of how it is and admins who are involved with forts are too ignorant to see.

thats funny because BoN was frozen at 200-something hours for a pretty long time.

but okay you're right all the time, and everyone is wrong except you.
I'm not gonna argue, just wanted to point out a few things.