About people rushing it in one day, that problem is easy to solve. All you have to make is like iBubble said an end boss in a dungeon you have to kill alone ot with a few people. Then you make different drops every end boss can have. Make some very rare items, which will rarely drop and make people do the dungeon over and over untill they get it. You can also add a few smaller drops and some guaranteed money drops like 100g.  

Posted by davidske

About people rushing it in one day, that problem is easy to solve. All you have to make is like iBubble said an end boss in a dungeon you have to kill alone ot with a few people. Then you make different drops every end boss can have. Make some very rare items, which will rarely drop and make people do the dungeon over and over untill they get it. You can also add a few smaller drops and some guaranteed money drops like 100g.

It's too late for that now, Delterians would complain that iClassic staff are ripping from them lol  

Posted by Reece

It's too late for that now, Delterians would complain that iClassic staff are ripping from them lol

That shouldn?t be a reason from preventing classic from going the dungeon route. In the end, the important thing is to improve graal as a whole not just individual servers. There?s many things shared between servers so there shouldn?t be a problem with servers sharing the dungeon concept.


OT: Personally, I would agree that a dungeon would be a better route for classic. The problem with questing is that it only works when there?s constant content being released and no graal server has the resources to accomplish that. A dungeon would add another thing for players to do.

Questing should just be used to unlock new content  

Please add a giant baddy spawn in some rooms like so:
http://lparchive.org/Pokemon-Mystery-Dungeon-Red-Rescue-Team/Update%2047/5-Image27.gif (Unsupported image host)  

Posted by Oj Fowler

You have to complete a dungeon to get the hera hearts (I think) surely in the first dungeon you do the item can just tell you what it is when you get it. I genuinely can't see people getting confused by the hearts, the first 3 are your core health and any additional are for NPC only hera hearts. Seems simple enough.

You really don't think when someone has say like 10 total hearts,and they get pkd by another player they wouldn't be complaining and not understand whats going on? It needs to be clearly set apart to avoid any confusion. Different color,different look,by whatever means. There is a very diverse group of ppl that plays Classic with differing age groups and ethnicities. There will be confusion,and there will be mass feed back complaints because they wont get whats going on if it's not clearly defined.

Posted by 4-Lom

OK how about equipment items (as in the 'hera hearts') that allow you to gain extra HP in place of having an item equipped like bow/bomb/horse what have you? This way, the gain would be palpable, it would give a certain type of edge for players, but then they would not be able to use another item while it was in use? or at least have it take up a slot?

What I have been waiting on, well, forever, is the hammer.
There are places to use the hammer (and strength glove) in game already, but nowhere to find said items?

Ultimately I feel that the world needs expanding, and not necessarily more items/features in doing so immediately... just more places with things to do/explore...
AFTER completing the stuff we already can see (crane game, zorbi cave, banon's crypt, swamp tunnel)

I have been waiting a long while now just for a new town area to be released for exploration. I am still hope full that those items you mention would be used to gain access to the new town and area. Your Hera heart idea is good,but I just dunno about making extra life an equip-able item. I'm assuming it would have to be blocked out (as in un-useable) when in a pvp area?

Posted by David M.

About people rushing it in one day, that problem is easy to solve. All you have to make is like iBubble said an end boss in a dungeon you have to kill alone ot with a few people. Then you make different drops every end boss can have. Make some very rare items, which will rarely drop and make people do the dungeon over and over untill they get it. You can also add a few smaller drops and some guaranteed money drops like 100g.

Sounds like your recreating the blob boss baddy. I like the Idea tho would give good reason to keep redoing the quest or at least parts of it. My thought on keeping players interested,and playing through the quests was similar.

Maybe you could beat a boss baddy and save the princess then when you return her to the king he lets you choose a chest from his royal treasury. There would be several chest's with random items (gralats,hat,mount,morph,ect.) and once you select a chest you get the item,but you loose all of your Hera hearts and the quest is reset so you can start again.

I am also hopefull there could be some branching paths that could be taken where the outcome differs depending on the choices you make during the quest. Which could result in receiving different items depending on what you do. That alone would make ppl replay the quest several times. Either way I think this is an avenue worth exploring IMO it would be far better to make it so you can do the quests again instead of just being able to go through once and be done with it. That's where ppl end up running through it getting the stuff,and saying well that was nice I'm bored there's nothing to do.

Posted by GOAT

That shouldn't be a reason from preventing classic from going the dungeon route. In the end, the important thing is to improve graal as a whole not just individual servers. There?s many things shared between servers so there shouldn?t be a problem with servers sharing the dungeon concept.


OT: Personally, I would agree that a dungeon would be a better route for classic. The problem with questing is that it only works when there?s constant content being released and no graal server has the resources to accomplish that. A dungeon would add another thing for players to do.

Questing should just be used to unlock new content

I think that is another good way to look at it. To use it more as a tool to release new content. It kind of reminds me of what Rufus did with his house a while back making it a maze,but still making ppl buy the hat that was the prize at the end. I could see them doing something like that as well. Where you have to complete a quest to receive an offer to buy an item you couldn't get otherwise. Like I said up there ^ I would love to see them make a quest to get the glove or hammer which would then let you access a new town or something.  

Posted by ufoburan

Your Hera heart idea is good,but I just dunno about making extra life an equip-able item. I'm assuming it would have to be blocked out (as in un-useable) when in a pvp area?

Aren't items usually blocked out when in spar anyway? ;)

I think that it might be a balanced way to create some interest in tower battles, as well...!  

Just wanted to clarify something. Dusty said. Would the new magic system be linked to items we all ready have,but if we used them it would drain our magic? For instance if we decide to use a morph while morphed would it drain the magic meter? maybe the same could be done with lanterns and other items we use?  

Posted by ufoburan

Just wanted to clarify something. Dusty said. Would the new magic system be linked to items we all ready have,but if we used them it would drain our magic? For instance if we decide to use a morph while morphed would it drain the magic meter? maybe the same could be done with lanterns and other items we use?

Magic will be mostly used to balance items that can be used in PvP.  

Dungeons would also be a great idea. Perhaps in snowtown, adding a "Yeti" dungeon would attract more players? They could have special attacks and drop loot/gralats, and very rarely hats.

Weapons that deal higher damage to baddies can also be an option.  

What if we create special challenge arenas spread out throughout the map that are unlockables through quests or dungeons? Simply put, if you've ever played Riddler's Revenge on any of the Batman Arkham games you should have an idea what I'm talking about. Time trial arenas, mini bosses, survival against hoardes of waves, etc. We can create the same effect by making challenge arenas for players to take on enemies in a given area. Ex: Swamptown Arena = Slimes, Railroad Arena = Bandits, York Town = Pyrats, etc. To make things fun, we can also take the Pokemon Gym approach where you must conquer one arena in order to move onto the next. Each one gets progressively harder and you will need to rely more on skill and advanced weaponry in order to advance. The final arena would be placed in a new area on the map, impossible to even venture to until you've completed all other challenge arenas. It'll contain a mixture of all enemies throughout the game and you'll really have to have all the tools and techniques by then and apply everything you've learned from the previous arenas to conquer this one. After you've completed it, you're free to go back to any other arena you like and replay all the challenges and you're also given the option to customize the arena. You can set assets and limitations on your battles such as health, certain weapons, enemy advantages, etc. And you're also able to play with your guild and fight until the last man standing and see how long you can all hold out. It'll be fun.  

Posted by Blueh

What if we create special challenge arenas spread out throughout the map that are unlockables through quests or dungeons? Simply put, if you've ever played Riddler's Revenge on any of the Batman Arkham games you should have an idea what I'm talking about. Time trial arenas, mini bosses, survival against hoardes of waves, etc. We can create the same effect by making challenge arenas for players to take on enemies in a given area. Ex: Swamptown Arena = Slimes, Railroad Arena = Bandits, York Town = Pyrats, etc. To make things fun, we can also take the Pokemon Gym approach where you must conquer one arena in order to move onto the next. Each one gets progressively harder and you will need to rely more on skill and advanced weaponry in order to advance. The final arena would be placed in a new area on the map, impossible to even venture to until you've completed all other challenge arenas. It'll contain a mixture of all enemies throughout the game and you'll really have to have all the tools and techniques by then and apply everything you've learned from the previous arenas to conquer this one. After you've completed it, you're free to go back to any other arena you like and replay all the challenges and you're also given the option to customize the arena. You can set assets and limitations on your battles such as health, certain weapons, enemy advantages, etc. And you're also able to play with your guild and fight until the last man standing and see how long you can all hold out. It'll be fun.

^They have the same exact thing in Borderlands if anybody has ever played it. I like the sound of it,but then it's more mini gameish than quest.

I wouldn't mind seeing quests for items we don't normally get. Like you could get a new body to wear or head. Maybe a new player house layout.

What about having it so a dungeon door pops up at random times in random places? And I mean anywhere on the world map at anytime. Basically it would be the same as an event warper,but there would be no global message announcing it to keep the lag away. And it would close after a set number of ppl entered it. But it wouldn't be an event it would be a dungeon with a boss baddie at the end and you would get a random prize from it that would come in a random color just like the blob boss.

If you wanted to make it more interesting you could give players a higher set number of (hera) hearts upon entering and a timer in which to complete the dungeon. If you die you warp to the begging and would have to start again if you cant complete it before time runs out you just get warped out. PVP would obviously have to be turned off inside this area so players wouldn't be able to pk or effect each other.  

*cough* FISHING *cough*  

I like the idea of mini games... especially if they are with multiple players (or guilds?) in a queue style set up, where you co-operate to succeed?  

Dusty's ideas + Blueh's ideas = yes please  

I would like to see boss baddies that you would have to get special items to battle them with Like something that can only be damaged by bombs or arrows,or even be able to make "parties" and quest as a group.