Posted by Pimpsy G.

I have every right to offed your viewpoint because it is undermining an entire people. Its like saying no white woman should have sex with Jester because its 'wrong'. You say we can't invent morals, so we shouldn't support gays. Take a grain if salt from what I said, sexuality is genetic. Its just as inherent as your race. Gay sex is not wrong, and gay marriage is absolutely fine. You also stated that the goal of sex is to have kids and gays cannot. Does this mean that a heterosexual couple that cannot reproduce is just as bad as being gay? Should a steril person just never get married in their life just like you apparently want gay people to do? You have zero arguments and you still have the audacity to say this is a debate. There is no winning, in the end you're just as bad as any racist. This debate was over before it began.

I can't believe I'm debating about this. It's sad to see that there's still so much prejudice in this world.

Ok I don't think you got what this was, it's something where people get together to have a FRIENDLY debate. I know you can disagree but do not call the person you are disagreeing with a racist or anything else like that.

A sterile couple will still have a mum and a dad to nurture the child making your whole rant about me being racist and white girls not being able to have sex with jester invalid. I would appreciate it if you don't post on my threads anymore if you keep offending me as a person, Thanks!

Posted by Rexx

Your reasons are terrible.

You're ******ed and one of the least respected members on this site so I won't bother trying to debate with you.

Why even post then?

Ok my next point, religious thing:

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

Matthew 19:4-6


Doesn't say leave for a husband.

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” Matthew 19:4-6

My next point is how it says wife not husband. Marrying a guy when your a guy isn't a real marriage so why should it be allowed?  

I hate the word "homophobic," people tend to assign it to everyone that doesn't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, which is way off of it's origin.  

This image sums up my entire opinion on homosexuality. Homosexuality isn't a choice, but the column on the right definitely is.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a_O6G847paM/UD09UB0Z37I/AAAAAAABeCw/CBIktiMNejA/s1600/wrong.jpg (Unsupported image host)  

Posted by Era News

But unlike race, this can be helped! People don't get that, this bullying problem with go up if we allow it! It makes kids feel like crap, they don't want to go to school and they want to end their lives! Dude if this is allowed it would make the world much more bullied. And you think that a kid will go and tell a teacher, it's embarrassing enough but with this reason! No way dude no way! And they can't just go and say to there dads "Im getting bullied because you two are gay and decided to adopt me" they can't!

You cannot possibly be comparing this to race dude, it's two different things, unless you want to call homosexuals a different race.

And your obviously not thinking of the child when you say "Yeah build a family together" it's just wrong dude. And as for balancing it out I liked to talked to my mum about different things to I talked to my dad about, if I couldn't do that I would probally be lost. You need a boy role model and a girl role model!

I have two adopted sisters from China. Beijing and Shanghai. My parents are perfectly straight, man a woman. Your point is?  

Posted by Era News

Ok I don't think you got what this was, it's something where people get together to have a FRIENDLY debate. I know you can disagree but do not call the person you are disagreeing with a racist or anything else like that.

A sterile couple will still have a mum and a dad to nurture the child making your whole rant about me being racist and white girls not being able to have sex with jester invalid. I would appreciate it if you don't post on my threads anymore if you keep offending me as a person, Thanks!

Your opinion is offending me. This isn't like religious debates, or politics. This is a direct opinion stating how an entire people should live their lives. It's different. There is no reason why two men aren't as good of parents as a wife and a mother. You didn't even say why any of my points becomes invalid anyways, you just said it becomes invalid... well... because.

Posted by Era News

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” Matthew 19:4-6

My next point is how it says wife not husband. Marrying a guy when your a guy isn't a real marriage so why should it be allowed?

You're forgetting that the bible was written a very long time ago, thousands of years ago, when people had very different morals and society was incredibly prejudice and sexist. Back then it would be impossible to have anything about true equality among the sexes and equality among gays and straights. The book simply wouldn't be accepted by anyone. Times change, if someone wrote it now instead it would definitely be less gender biased. If anything, modern marriage has become a very real legal entity. As long as it is legally a significant concept financially wise, and it is supported by the government, it should not discriminate against anyone even if the bible does.

An example of what I am talking about is the bible's sexist views on women (Colossians 3:18; Ephesians 5:22). Obviously the church does not support these views anymore regardless of what the bible says, so that means we can modify our ever changing morals to be in support of the gay community as well.  

Posted by Paladin

Gay sex is wrong gay love is false.

Did I seriously just read that? It's already been proved in this thread, never mind proved countless times elsewhere that homosexuality is not down to decision, so it's odd how you have literally no tolerance for racism against people with darker coloured skin but you can't see an issue with homophobia?

Posted by Xavier

This image sums up my entire opinion on homosexuality. Homosexuality isn't a choice, but the column on the right definitely is.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a_O6G847paM/UD09UB0Z37I/AAAAAAABeCw/CBIktiMNejA/s1600/wrong.jpg (Unsupported image host)

Wouldn't you find it hard to not define your identity by your sexuality when society instantly places this master status upon you as being a gay man, just as they do when they see a different coloured individual?

All that aside though, I really don't think 'debating' a topic like this with a bunch of kids who obviously aren't mature enough to even make a decent attempt is a good idea, because it always ends in tears.  

I love gay people, they are hilarious.

I grew up with both a mother and father, I had thought they had a happy marriage but they ended up divorcing around 06/07. but both my father and mother are still the best of friends like how they were when they were married. anyways after the divorce my mother spoke to my brother, my sister, and myself on why they did it. She was in tears and had a hard time telling us that she was gay and the reason why she married my father was because she was trying to fit in with society. she thought we wouldn't accept her because she "wasn't like the other mothers" and because my brother and I would always be like "that's gay, stop being a f*g" to each other but we were kids, it was just another way of calling each other an asshole or something. Everyone in my family, even my father, accepts her for who she is.

They were oldschool back in the days, my mother didn't say to anyone that she was gay because of how Her mother and grandmother were strict with religion and society and all that crap. I went to a Private(religious) High School and was not ashamed for my mother to be gay, everyone knew about it and didn't say a damn thing about it. My mother and her partner would even go to my school whenever she had to go and I'd go too. She's happy with her partner and that's all what really matters. I highly don't care what a book of stories say on how marriage should be, I will always support gay marriage.  

The dangers of same sex pregnancy!

But really, your points are be a bigot because bigotry happens, that bull **** marriage argument, and that the gays will get greedy! You're actually a **** human and the fact that your so unaware of what you're saying proves what an idiot you are.

Also, a debate based on hate is always going to offend someone so don't play that card.  

If you are against gay people raising a kid because they will be judged, then you are in a paradox of circular reasoning. Your opinions shouldn't prevent people from getting the same legal benefits as anyone else.

Gay couples exist regardless of the law. What they do is none of your business, and you shouldn't pretend it is. If it is against your morals to be homosexual, then don't be homosexual. That's all there is to it.  

Posted by Emera

Wouldn't you find it hard to not define your identity by your sexuality when society instantly places this master status upon you as being a gay man, just as they do when they see a different coloured individual?

Society only places this so called "master status" on people when they do things similar to things in the right column of my earlier post because, to be frank, it's simply annoying. I have several friends who are gay (In fact, the coolest person I have ever met is a professor at Eastman School of Music who is in fact homosexual), and I have no problem with them because they don't find it necessary to define their ENTIRE personality on the fact that they are gay. (I call people who do define their entire identity by their homosexuality "fabulous").

I don't know where you live, but there is quite a high population of "fabulous" individuals here in the New York City area. Its fabulous people's inappropriate behavior I have an issue with.  

Posted by Xavier

Society only places this so called "master status" on people when they do things similar to things in the right column of my earlier post because, to be frank, it's simply annoying. I have several friends who are gay (In fact, the coolest person I have ever met is a professor at Eastman School of Music who is in fact homosexual), and I have no problem with them because they don't find it necessary to define their ENTIRE personality on the fact that they are gay. (I call people who do define their entire identity by their homosexuality "fabulous").

I don't know where you live, but there is quite a high population of "fabulous" individuals here in the New York City area. Its fabulous people's inappropriate behavior I have an issue with.

Straight men are allowed to "define" themselves.  

Posted by Xavier

Society only places this so called "master status" on people when they do things similar to things in the right column of my earlier post because, to be frank, it's simply annoying. I have several friends who are gay (In fact, the coolest person I have ever met is a professor at Eastman School of Music who is in fact homosexual), and I have no problem with them because they don't find it necessary to define their ENTIRE personality on the fact that they are gay. (I call people who do define their entire identity by their homosexuality "fabulous").

I don't know where you live, but there is quite a high population of "fabulous" individuals here in the New York City area. Its fabulous people's inappropriate behavior I have an issue with.

A master status isn't given to somebody optionally. It's automatically given to somebody because they are/have done something that is abnormal or unusual (or even different from yourself) This 'behavior' you're talking about most likely comes from societies ignorance towards homosexuals.

You can read a little about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_status  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

no white woman should have sex with Jester because its 'wrong'.

Ain't that a bit racialist?  

America is a melting pot of different people, different cultures, different races, different ideals, different religions, different beliefs, different everything. And isn't that sort of freedom what's made America what it is today?

The obvious answer is yes, so isn't it self-destructive to start ostracizing and working against other people for the reasons listed above? Black people can't help it that they're black, so is it fair to put restrictions on them? No. Women can't help it that they're women, so is it fair to put restrictions on them? No. Homosexuals can't help it that they're homosexuals, so is it fair to put restrictions on them? No. We have to learn to accept one another if we want to be taken seriously in the world. Decide for yourself whether you agree with it. That part is up to you. It's not my business to tell you that you can't think that homosexuality is wrong; that's your choice. Just keep it between yourself and your comprades and don't try to force your beliefs on anybody else. America has already gone through this issue more than twice, so why don't we take the high road for once and avoid this issue before it begins?  

Posted by Dimentio

Ain't that a bit racialist?

I'm guessing you didn't get my analogy comparing this to being against same sex relationships?