Posted by James205

There has even been people I thought were speeding that I have admitted I am wrong about accusing them because of how weird iClassic is

Like who? I'm sure they wouldn't mind since you'd be effectively stamping your endorsement on them not being a speed hacker  

Posted by Thallen

Like who? I'm sure they wouldn't mind since you'd be effectively stamping your endorsement on them not being a speed hacker

I am releasing one of the most comprehensive proof videos soon and it's not the person you're thinking.

The problem is which a lot of people don't understand these kind of videos take a lot of time and accuracy to make sure it's done right.  

Posted by James205

I am releasing one of the most comprehensive proof videos soon and it's not the person you're thinking.

The problem is which a lot of people don't understand these kind of videos take a lot of time and accuracy to make sure it's done right.

People will still disagree with your video lol.  

Posted by James205

I am releasing one of the most comprehensive proof videos soon and it's not the person you're thinking.

The problem is which a lot of people don't understand these kind of videos take a lot of time and accuracy to make sure it's done right.

I don't see how you releasing a video like that shows any less bias than if staff were to have assigned spar moderators. That puts you in control of a lot of things: who to and who not to record, the conditions that you're recording under, etc.

So, what if you tell this person that you're recording them and that they shouldn't speed? What if I were to queue up in a spar against you and set my own speed to 95% and try to make others draw conclusions based off of that recording? The recording of Enmity has been around for years and you get laughed at if you ever accuse that guy of hacking at one point.

There was never even a fix for speeding on PC Graal. All it did was detect a few cheat windows and automatically close Graal if the process or window title was detected. If you ever hacked the speed of the process by more than ~10%, the window would also automatically close. At 10%, speed hacking should already be blatantly obvious to anyone without vision problems. Those measures were basically useless.

Ruxxter scripted pretty good speed detection for UN, but it was prone to false positives (as all will be) and you'd have to manually inspect the log to really know who was speeding. It'd send a triggeraction to the server from the client every second, and if the server sees that it's receiving 1.05 triggers per second, on average, then they're hacking their process speed by 5%. Any type of server or client lag bothers the script, and that's even considering that UN's server was way less laggy than iClassic's.

So regardless of what happens, there would have to have to be manual intervention. The "no one is unbiased enough" approach doesn't make a lot of sense to me when you consider that we already have GPs that have had ties to the community yet still manage to their job properly. I'm pretty sure the only person that gets openly accused of speeding by a large number of people is Carly, and it's for good reason.  

To counter the "no one is unbiased enough" issue, when accepting the role as moderator, the admin in charge and the player accepting the role could agree to some contract. If powers are abused the outcome will be a ban.  

Posted by Thallen

I don't see how you releasing a video like that shows any less bias than if staff were to have assigned spar moderators. That puts you in control of a lot of things: who to and who not to record, the conditions that you're recording under, etc.

So, what if you tell this person that you're recording them and that they shouldn't speed? What if I were to queue up in a spar against you and set my own speed to 95% and try to make others draw conclusions based off of that recording? The recording of Enmity has been around for years and you get laughed at if you ever accuse that guy of hacking at one point.

There was never even a fix for speeding on PC Graal. All it did was detect a few cheat windows and automatically close Graal if the process or window title was detected. If you ever hacked the speed of the process by more than ~10%, the window would also automatically close. At 10%, speed hacking should already be blatantly obvious to anyone without vision problems. Those measures were basically useless.

Ruxxter scripted pretty good speed detection for UN, but it was prone to false positives (as all will be) and you'd have to manually inspect the log to really know who was speeding. It'd send a triggeraction to the server from the client every second, and if the server sees that it's receiving 1.05 triggers per second, on average, then they're hacking their process speed by 5%. Any type of server or client lag bothers the script, and that's even considering that UN's server was way less laggy than iClassic's.

So regardless of what happens, there would have to have to be manual intervention. The "no one is unbiased enough" approach doesn't make a lot of sense to me when you consider that we already have GPs that have had ties to the community yet still manage to their job properly. I'm pretty sure the only person that gets openly accused of speeding by a large number of people is Carly, and it's for good reason.

Not reading this but the idea is:

- Get my server side video recording of person accused speeding
- Get person accused of speeding clientside video (of same spar as above)
- Get my client side speed (of my speed on client side)
- Track FPS specific client side vs client side by both sides and compare to server side exact pixels by spar in question while also comparing to my client side.

This is very very precise. I have tested it a lot and it by far the most accurate proof if someone is speeding if they accept to participate to give me 30fps client side video for comparison. Way more than someone just blindly claiming a person is a speeder.

Obviously not everyone will provide footage so not realistic but if someone really wants to prove their case this works and like I said it gives VERY accurate results vs a server side eye test.  

She just has a good computer guys shut up  

Of course you aren't going to read it, because rather than whining and accusing Dusty of not knowing what he's doing I'm actually explaining to someone who is dense and with no concept of how to fix the issue (you) why it can't be fixed

Posted by James205

- Get my server side video recording of person accused speeding
- Get person accused of speeding clientside video (of same spar as above)
- Get my client side speed (of my speed on client side)
- Track FPS specific client side vs client side by both sides and compare to server side exact pixels by spar in question while also comparing to my client side.

Do I even have to explain why this is stupid?

You are telling someone that you would like for them to hand over a video to you? And they're going to do it? While speed hacking? That's what you think?  

Posted by James205

Not reading this but the idea is:

- Get my server side video recording of person accused speeding
- Get person accused of speeding clientside video (of same spar as above)
- Get my client side speed (of my speed on client side)
- Track FPS specific client side vs client side by both sides and compare to server side exact pixels by spar in question while also comparing to my client side.

This is very very precise. I have tested it a lot and it by far the most accurate proof if someone is speeding if they accept to participate to give me 30fps client side video for comparison. Way more than someone just blindly claiming a person is a speeder.

Obviously not everyone will provide footage so not realistic but if someone really wants to prove their case this works and like I said it gives VERY accurate results vs a server side eye test.

*starts recording, turns off speed hacks*  

Posted by Thallen

Of course you aren't going to read it, because rather than whining and accusing Dusty of not knowing what he's doing I'm actually explaining to someone who is dense and with no concept of how to fix the issue (you) why it can't be fixed


Do I even have to explain why this is stupid?

You are telling someone that you would like for them to hand over a video to you? And they're going to do it? While speed hacking? That's what you think?

You aren't listening. I am getting video from 3 people who are accused. Have I said they are innocent?

No you don't understand how the tracking works and I am very very good at it. If I have 3 sources of footage to go by it is more accurate than one persons blind opinion by server side.

I don't think you realize how many people now are being accused of speed hacking, you are also one of them. Ridiculous right? This method actually does prove it if someone verifies to me that they think he person is speeding and the only thing I need from them is a 30FPS recording. Maybe you don't understand it but it is VERY accurate especially with client side footage.

So how can you possibly say this is stupid? The hardest part is getting cooperation from someone and I record on my side and they record their side and that's all. If someone is speeding they would be reluctant and the debate continues.

So yes explain to me how this is stupid instead of the blind witch hunting method. I'd give you money if you have a more accurate way.  

Posted by James205

I'd give you money if you have a more accurate way.

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Posted by James205

You aren't listening. I am getting video from 3 people who are accused. Have I said they are innocent?

No you don't understand how the tracking works and I am very very good at it. If I have 3 sources of footage to go by it is more accurate than one persons blind opinion by server side.

I don't think you realize how many people now are being accused of speed hacking, you are also one of them. Ridiculous right? This method actually does prove it if someone verifies to me that they think he person is speeding and the only thing I need from them is a 30FPS recording. Maybe you don't understand it but it is VERY accurate especially with client side footage.

So how can you possibly say this is stupid? The hardest part is getting cooperation from someone and I record on my side and they record their side and that's all. If someone is speeding they would be reluctant and the debate continues.

So yes explain to me how this is stupid instead of the blind witch hunting method. I'd give you money if you have a more accurate way.

What he's saying is that people will be glad to record for you...after they toggle their speed with the press of a key...

The source of the video can't be from the person being accused. It would have to be taken by another person while the accused is "speeding" and not be a video recorded from their side. Surely you can see the issue with this.  

Posted by Aguzo

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Give me ideas, I will listen.

Posted by Fulgore

What he's saying is that people will be glad to record for you...after they toggle their speed with the press of a key...

The source of the video can't be from the person being accused. It would have to be taken by another person while the accused is "speeding" and not be a video recorded from their side. Surely you can see the issue with this.

That's why I don't do just 1 offs, it's a progressive thing. People tell me all the time that someone is speeding or they think it's speeding.

I'm very aware of toggling and I don't just record someone sparring once and say "OK DONE".

If I also see they arent speeding then I'll throw the footage in the garbage until I get a good source that reinforces that it could be looked as speeding. I seriously am very very aware of the toggle speeders. This is part of the agreement that it's not just "GO SPAR ILL RECORD" it's also about if I think they are speeding and someone else thinks it as well.  

Posted by James205

You aren't listening. I am getting video from 3 people who are accused. Have I said they are innocent?

No you don't understand how the tracking works and I am very very good at it. If I have 3 sources of footage to go by it is more accurate than one persons blind opinion by server side.

I don't think you realize how many people now are being accused of speed hacking, you are also one of them. Ridiculous right? This method actually does prove it if someone verifies to me that they think he person is speeding and the only thing I need from them is a 30FPS recording. Maybe you don't understand it but it is VERY accurate especially with client side footage.

So how can you possibly say this is stupid? The hardest part is getting cooperation from someone and I record on my side and they record their side and that's all. If someone is speeding they would be reluctant and the debate continues.

So yes explain to me how this is stupid instead of the blind witch hunting method. I'd give you money if you have a more accurate way.

I don't see why someone wouldn't just agree and then spend a day or two sparring without their hacks while you and they record the "proof"...  

Posted by TeK

I don't see why someone wouldn't just agree and then spend a day or two sparring without their hacks while you and they record the "proof"...

I never said a day or two, it's progressive and again if it looks like speed hacking from multiple people I will use the source video. I am aware like I have said multiple times that a speeder would most likely toggle the speed off when it comes down to a situation like this. If they do then I would just make it inconclusive as no one else is saying the person is speeding.

Again I am very aware of this.