Posted by SomeGuy

Wont be surprised if these terrorists are coming in with the never ending flow of migrants.

Honestly your right it's just logic  

Posted by Thallen

That's called kitman, as stated in an earlier post. It's perfectly fine for them to lie and be deceptive if it means to gain the trust of non-believers.
ISIS is not the first terrorist group that represents Islam. It's not even up for debate that the religion is plagued by violence and intolerance. People love saying that not all Muslims are terrorists, but that's an empty statement. You should be asking what all terrorists are, and nearly all terrorists end up being Muslim. Is that just some strange coincidence?

We're never going to be able to fight the problem until people like you get real about it and stop making some disconnect between Islam and violence. It does not matter if people catchphrase it as a "religion of peace" or if there are hugs and kisses in the Quran. None of that excuses the religion for the terror and violence it's bringing to the world.

The problem with many conservative media outlets is that they exploit and politicize these attacks to further propagate their agenda of being anti-muslim. Much how liberals use exploit and politicize mass shootings to further their anti gun-control rhetoric.

The reality is that the number of muslim extremists is nominal. According to a study done by Europol, which is the EU's law-enforcement agency, they concluded that only two percent of 152 terror attacks in 2013 were religiously motivated.

Another study done by the FBI says that 94% of terrorist attacks were not done by muslims. To put this into perspective, think about the amount of practicing muslims in the world. There are 1.6 billion muslims.

I agree with you with one point: we need to stop Islam extremism. But we can't associate the words "terrorism" and "Islam" much like we can't associate the words "terrorism" and "Christianity". There are Christians willing to blow up an abortion clinic, but we don't see all of them as terrorists. It just does not make sense to me.

Sources:
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...rism-2002-2005
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/...rorism-europe/  

Always seek information from authentic sources, don't form your opinion from propaganda and Islamiphobic information. Step out of your bubble, meet Muslim people, visit a Muslim land if given the chance. Ignorance is a disease that spreads hate.

"Kitman" and "Taqiyya", two favorite buzzwords used Islamiphobes.

"Taqiyya" grants Muslims to right to lie about their belief in order to escape persecution. Renouncing Islam under duress, is the only application of “taqiyya” that exists in Sunni Islam, which 85% of Muslims follow.

If Al-Qaeda captured some Christian missionaries and threatened to kill them unless they declare belief in Islam, no sane person would take issue with a pretend confession. If the Nazis knocked on your door and asked if you are hiding any Jews in your attic, are you going to lie and deceive them? Allowing deception to escape torture and death is simply common sense. And can be found in the Judeo-Christian tradition as well. Even U.S. law takes into account acts done under duress.

ISIS is an extremist group, a perversion of the actual religion of Islam. ISIS people are not going around lying about their beliefs or sugar coating their violent philosophy. Their harsh, rigid, violent message is clear cut and free from deception.

1.7 billion Muslims Worldwide
Estimated 30,000 ISIS
that's 0.017% ISIS

When authentic practicing Muslims express their peaceful views, we dismiss them as "Taqiyya" ("deceptive campaigns")? On the other hand, when extremist and fundamentalist Muslims express their belligerent and violent views, we accept them as being "real Islam”?

And we all know that the origins or terrorism have nothing to do with religion but everything to do with politics and the oppression of people from their rightful lands.  

Posted by GraalAholic

Step out of your bubble, meet Muslim people, visit a Muslim land if given the chance. Ignorance is a disease that spreads hate.

Both my parents are from Iran and my mom is Muslim, I still despise Islam and think it's a plague.

The issue at hand is larger than religion though. A lot of Americans don't realize this but some European countries (such as Sweden) have had a massive influx of Middle Eastern immigrants since the 80's. Most of the violent crime, rape, gang related ****, etc in Sweden have been coming from immigrants and even 2nd generation (people of foreign ethnicities who are born and raised in Sweden).

The city I live in is the highest per capita in ISIS recruitments. It's not just Islam, it's almost a cultural thing with some of these animals.

but everything to do with politics and the oppression of people from their rightful lands.

That is ****ing ******ed and completely incorrect. That is not at all what this ISIS problem stems from nor what it is about.  

And Canada's just chilling.  

GraalAholic, your entire post is defeated as soon as someone asks you why Islam has such violence and when statistics and numbers come out. It is not a coincidence. It is not isolated. It doesn't matter if 0.00001% of Muslims are violent. It matters that Islam is the only religion that we have these issues with in 2016.

Posted by GraalAholic

1.7 billion Muslims Worldwide
Estimated 30,000 ISIS
that's 0.017% ISIS

What about the Muslim Brotherhood in the UAE? Al Islah Society? Fatah Al Islam in Lebanon, Islamic Association in Italy, UAE Jihad cells, Islamic Association in Finland, Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, Islamic Association in Sweden? Now, you name some Christian or Buddhist terrorist groups that are wreaking havoc on the planet? (Here's where you meme out and say "THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!" because there's no actual answer.)

If these are all "perversions" of this peaceful religion, then what good is the religion actually doing? The Middle East has a severe lack of scientific and social progress, and Islam is the cause of it all. The sad part is that religion is so infectious and controlling in that part of the world that you're never even given the option of not believing it. You are born into it and you probably risk your life if you ever consider going against it. If anyone needs to step out of their bubble, it's that part of the world.  

The practice and common beliefs of most Islamic communities actively violate the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and I actually believe a group declared their own Islamic Human Rights? I'll have to find the source.

But anyway, it's only natural that non-Islamic and Islamic groups will conflict as many values are not shared between them. Really, take ISIS and its extremist views on torture and the right to life, and then compare that with most western nations today. It's clear there's a huge between difference between them.

Edit:
Links:
http://www.humanrights.ch/en/standar...-human-rights/
http://iheu.org/arab-charter-human-r...louise-arbour/  

I will keep this short and will not reply again.
Everyone can do their own studies and research.
Extremism in Christianity barely exists anymore because of secularization.
What is the root cause of islamic extremism?
Islam's pluralistic nature?
Western-induced poverty?
Western-supported rise of Israel?
Western imperialism that displaced the Ottoman Empire?
No, no, no and no
Islamist extremism exists because corrupt and oppressive rulers want to maintain themselves in power.
An Islam liberated from the grip of Saudi Arabia could correct itself and defeat extremism on its own terms.
Peace to All  

Posted by Thallen

GraalAholic, your entire post is defeated as soon as someone asks you why Islam has such violence and when statistics and numbers come out. It is not a coincidence. It is not isolated. It doesn't matter if 0.00001% of Muslims are violent. It matters that Islam is the only religion that we have these issues with in 2016.

What about the Muslim Brotherhood in the UAE? Al Islah Society? Fatah Al Islam in Lebanon, Islamic Association in Italy, UAE Jihad cells, Islamic Association in Finland, Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, Islamic Association in Sweden? Now, you name some Christian or Buddhist terrorist groups that are wreaking havoc on the planet? (Here's where you meme out and say "THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!" because there's no actual answer.)

If these are all "perversions" of this peaceful religion, then what good is the religion actually doing? The Middle East has a severe lack of scientific and social progress, and Islam is the cause of it all. The sad part is that religion is so infectious and controlling in that part of the world that you're never even given the option of not believing it. You are born into it and you probably risk your life if you ever consider going against it. If anyone needs to step out of their bubble, it's that part of the world.

They may not be wreaking havoc now but the KKK and IRA can be regarded as two groups of terrorists at one point. WBC is probably not far off neither (yes they don't kill people, still pretty crazy though)

You are right that its no coincidence they're Muslim, but I feel like due to the media Islam is exaggerated to be a lot worse than it actually is. People i've spoke to irl who are Muslim say they're ashamed of it now due to events like these, and im sure that attitude is shared amongst the majority.  

let's list some things Islam encourages and/or forces:
domestic abuse at the age of 10 and above for kids who don't pray
limiting your thoughts to anything other than Islam
idolizing the so-called "Shaikhs"
being forced into the religion at birth
death sentence to anyone who reaches the conclusion that the religion makes no sense and decides to leave it  

Posted by Thallen

GraalAholic, your entire post is defeated as soon as someone asks you why Islam has such violence and when statistics and numbers come out. It is not a coincidence. It is not isolated. It doesn't matter if 0.00001% of Muslims are violent. It matters that Islam is the only religion that we have these issues with in 2016.

Search the history of bombings over the last 20 years and tell me how many of those are in Muslim countries. There's levels to violence. Search death totals: Muslims killed by westerners against westerners killed by Muslims. Let's see who's worse or as you put it the "bad" guys.

Posted by Thallen

What about the Muslim Brotherhood in the UAE? Al Islah Society? Fatah Al Islam in Lebanon, Islamic Association in Italy, UAE Jihad cells, Islamic Association in Finland, Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, Islamic Association in Sweden? Now, you name some Christian or Buddhist terrorist groups that are wreaking havoc on the planet? (Here's where you meme out and say "THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!" because there's no actual answer.)

lol google search to make arguments. Do you know anything about those groups besides a list you found on the internet?

If Christians were being bombed as much as the Muslims I guarantee you they would be doing the same thing.

It's like saying white people never protest, but blacks do. #WhiteLivesMatterToo lol

Posted by Thallen

If these are all "perversions" of this peaceful religion, then what good is the religion actually doing? The Middle East has a severe lack of scientific and social progress, and Islam is the cause of it all. The sad part is that religion is so infectious and controlling in that part of the world that you're never even given the option of not believing it. You are born into it and you probably risk your life if you ever consider going against it. If anyone needs to step out of their bubble, it's that part of the world.

Just because you think your way of life is better doesn't make it true.

The ones that want to be westernized make their way to other countries, but nikkas want to put a halt on the ones migrating out of the middle east.



Go to a homo forum/support site and see how many christian homos were disowned by their christian parents. There's levels to "infectious and controlling" in religion, but lets not pretend all of them don't have it. You think Fulgy's dad will pay for his free ride to his university once he finds out his sons backdoor is entrance and exit  

All I can say:

Squares are rectangles, but rectangles aren't squares.  

"Google search to make arguments" LOOOOOL G0AT...  

Not necessarily on the attacks or terrorism but food for thought:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9-4V3HR696k  

Posted by ReD s.

Pathetic to see people still defend Religion.
Read some of the Quran its disgusting.

your pathetic and disgusting.
Unless you have a explanation for the existance of the universe don't argue religion.

Its a beleif that structured many civilisation because it is built on good motives and ideas of peace and prosperity.


The only thing one can have against it is that a lot of the rules are oudated (espcially regarding women) but one has to take in concideration that these books were written thousands of years ago and to these people it was normal to treat minorities like that.

Posted by Arsenal

And Canada's just chilling.

For now.But once Isis is defeated all of the other nations will be in a weaker state which will give us the perfect oppertunity to launch our Maple Syrop torpedoes and missles