Posted by Ash Ketchum

Aguzo do you even read???

Do you even read? I said that no one is expecting anything to be done by next week. Just that a lot of players have kept reposting the same ideas over and over, and nothing has been done for a long time (Don't know if they have kept getting reposted for years or just several months)

Plus, like I said, maybe the devs don't get a say in what should be implemented next. Maybe someone else (who's priority is gralat packs) is the first and final word in it all.

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Posted by Anakin_Graal

but the majority of players are actually quite happy with how Graal is progressing.

And how many people have played Classic, and then decided not to continue playing because they didn't like what the server had to offer? If the motivation is to make money, you need to determine why people don't pick up the game after trying it, a group of players play infrequently, or even quit playing the game altogether after playing for a long time. Any smart business person would want to measure their market, and it isn't particularly hard to make those measurements. I guess Stephane doesn't have any market strategists to point that out to him.

It isn't as simple as "this kind of thing the most requests so we better work on it." You certainly shouldn't want to ignore your present market, but you also shouldn't ignore what will bring in a larger market and/or greater revenue. It's a common business mistake.

Not paying the people who are bringing in the revenue? That's a significant business mistake. If it wasn't for taking the early-to-market advantage on mobile, Graal would likely have been a failed business at this point.  

Posted by Aguzo

Do you even read? I said that no one is expecting anything to be done by next week. Just that a lot of players have kept reposting the same ideas over and over, and nothing has been done for a long time (Don't know if they have kept getting reposted for years or just several months)

Plus, like I said, maybe the devs don't get a say in what should be implemented next. Maybe someone else (who's priority is gralat packs) is the first and final word in it all.

Posted by Dusty

Updates are time consuming to make. And you can only really do one thing at a time. We can't magically make big updates while also pushing out small updates that keep players interested on a month-to-month basis.

Posted by Dusty

Just because someone suggests something doesn't mean it's good, or feasible, or likely. There's always a very long to-do list, but you can only cross off so many things at a time with the finite time we have.

Posted by Dusty

And assume a player makes a really good suggestion? Then what? We immediately start working on that and stop working on what we already started on?

Aguzo do you even read???  

Posted by deadowl

And how many people have played Classic, and then decided not to continue playing because they didn't like what the server had to offer? If the motivation is to make money, you need to determine why people don't pick up the game after trying it, a group of players play infrequently, or even quit playing the game altogether after playing for a long time. Any smart business person would want to measure their market, and it isn't particularly hard to make those measurements. I guess Stephane doesn't have any market strategists to point that out to him.

It isn't as simple as "this kind of thing the most requests so we better work on it." You certainly shouldn't want to ignore your present market, but you also shouldn't ignore what will bring in a larger market and/or greater revenue. It's a common business mistake.

It's all good saying that, but it's very difficult for a small team to balance working for new players vs. working for old players. Let's say for example we discover that there is a big dropout of players at the tutorial and we assume that the tutorial needs to be redone. The time it takes to redo the tutorial results in the existing players not getting new content, then when the tutorial is replaced people are like "wtf?" because it's not something that benefits them.

The same thing applies when it comes to holiday content. You're damned if you don't and you're damned if you do.  

Posted by Rufus

It's all good saying that, but it's very difficult for a small team to balance working for new players vs. working for old players. Let's say for example we discover that there is a big dropout of players at the tutorial and we assume that the tutorial needs to be redone. The time it takes to redo the tutorial results in the existing players not getting new content, then when the tutorial is replaced people are like "wtf?" because it's not something that benefits them.

The same thing applies when it comes to holiday content. You're damned if you don't and you're damned if you do.

...

Month 1: New player update

Month 2: Current player update

Month 3: Old player + Current player update.

Repeat. Example, not saying it takes 1 month, before you post about it.

Damned if you don't, damned if you do? Well then ask the players what they want first... give them an example of how long things could take, even if "we don't tell players what we are planning, because Supplies"  

Posted by Aguzo

...

Month 1: New player update

Month 2: Current player update

Month 3: Old player + Current player update.

Damned if you don't, damned if you do? Well then ask the players what they want first... give them an example of how long things could take, even if "we don't tell players what we are planning, because Supplies"

A few days after Month 1: threads like this.
A few days during (lol) Month 2: threads like this.  

Posted by Rufus

A few days after Month 1: threads like this.
A few days during (lol) Month 2: threads like this.

They wouldn't be making the thread if things actually get done, things that people have been constantly asking for that the majority agree with. Make the poll in-game, satisfaction of players would rise "Oh, they care about what we think/want."  

Posted by Aguzo

They wouldn't be making the thread if things actually get done, things that people are constantly asking for that the majority agree with. Make the poll in-game, satisfaction of players would rise "Oh, they care about what we think."

And yet...

Posted by Aguzo

That's not to say that some good improvements have not been made, you guys are heading towards the right direction by the leaderboards, and even the latest small update like the hat viewers when you buy.

Posted by Rufus

Moreover, you seem to hold a belief that if an update doesn't appeal to you or isn't within your own little bubble then it holds no value. This is a very easy trap to fall into, but ultimately one which is wrong. There is a diverse amount of players on the game, the majority of which are here to socialize and dress up, like it or not. There is a huge amount of feedback for hats shops to be updated, for Nexus to open (you can actually see this on Graalians too) etc. I don't expect you to have read this because how could you? Most of it is in-game feedback and Graalians is a minority group. Still, would you say that such demands don't hold much value compared to yours?

Don't reply to me if you're not going to read the replies to you.  

Posted by Rufus

And yet...

Don't reply to me if you're not going to agree with me.

Do I have to retake my statement? Like I said, that was to show that even small things like that are good. What I'm talking about are things that have constantly been asked for and reposted many times.

The majority are here to dress up? Have you asked the majority that? Character Customizability is great, but that doesn't mean that it's the only thing players want.

You say that the most feedback is based upon hats, and nexus reopenings, but there is so much you can do with that. Players get burned out, and are then bored very fast. That's why they keep asking for more hats. Replay Value is not high enough.

Again simple things like Guild House open to public, House expansions, .. not gonna repeat everything again.

Ask players what they want, with a set of options that you are currently able to implement. They won't pick "Meh, more hats, cause I don't want new gameplay mechanics, nor do I want a better guild system."  

I'm not taking anysides here but no matter what update is made on graal, classic, zone, or era, no one is fully pleased. Theres always going to be a child or 1000 complaining about updates etc.  

Posted by Aguzo

The majority are here to dress up? Have you asked the majority that?

I don't need to, there are statistics for things like this which are not built on opinions or personal agendas. You don't even need that though, what are the majority of players doing right now? Step outside of the arena and walk around, count people, and understand that you are part of a minority. You could say that this is because there's 'nothing to do' but there is, people just have different tastes.

Posted by Aguzo

You say that the most feedback is based upon hats, and nexus reopenings, but there is so much you can do with that. Players get burned out, and are then bored very fast. That's why they keep asking for more hats.

Is it? And what's to say that new changes aren't going to also run into this problem? Fishing isn't going to get boring? Why aren't you diving? It's the same thing.

Posted by Aguzo

Replay Value is not high enough.

If we are to assume that the majority players (socializers) are requesting hat updates, the replay value really sits in the social aspect of the game? I am not contesting that (in my personal opinion) the replay value is not high enough, but I consider myself an active player over someone looking for a chat. That doesn't mean that the majority should be ignored though, or that updates targeting those people are not updates, does it?

Posted by Aguzo

Ask players what they want, with a set of options that you are currently able to implement. They won't pick "Meh, more hats, cause I don't want new gameplay mechanics, nor do I want a better guild system."

But this is not necessary. In this month we have added an update for competitive play and an update for people who like to wear new fashion/decorate their house in new furniture. Yet we have this thread, so we go back to what I said a few posts ago. Just because someone posted an idea here that has been requested a couple of times doesn't mean that someone else doesn't feel their idea needed to be done first.

And then we also go back to the quote above:

Posted by Dusty

Updates are time consuming to make. And you can only really do one thing at a time. We can't magically make big updates while also pushing out small updates that keep players interested on a month-to-month basis.

 

Are Aguzo threads getting better or worse, would've been a better topic to discuss than pickng at the devs for not catering to the minority.  

I'll repeat no one is asing you to implement anything right now, but more as why hasn't it been done months/a year ago, when players kept asking, and will continue to keep asking.

Never said fishing would make the game 100% replayable forever, just that it would add onto the game. Diving requires you to move around, and that's good, but what's wrong with staying by the lakebed and casting one out?

So by what you are saying, if I conduct some small questionairre to let's say 100 people, then all I will get is "more hats is what I want"? I won't even ask anyone in battle arena, just random people in graa city.

Either way, the purpose of this thread is to show what the players think. Look at the poll, majority doesn't feel that there is enough of things they actually want. Back to what I said, "hats don't last that long."

I'll count the replies in-game, you can even check my pm history once I am done.

The question will be: "What would you like as the next graal update?"

Options:

1. More hats, furniture, mounts, etc
2. House expansions, a Shop in which you can buy different flooring and walls, and guild house open to public.
3. Guilds allowed to be open so anyone can join freely.

I'll keep it like that, and won't add/probably can't add more words.

Wasn't going to ask this site, just random players. Will not ask anyone from BA, otherwise it would be "biased".  

Why would you think that 100 people are a representation of the server when the survey we recently did received 57,000 responses? And yet again you are not reading what I am saying; Graalians is a minority of players, how do you not understand that? Why would you think that this poll means anything? Yeah, I think I'm done here.  

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