Guns were set back to how they were before all of the changes made by GIT. Proper testing and changes will be made before these actually go public like he should have done in the first place.  

rip the dream  

Posted by Tashkin

Guns were set back to how they were before all of the changes made by GIT. Proper testing and changes will be made before these actually go public like he should have done in the first place.

the only time i ever did proper testing was the first time around, using unreleased weapons to create new weapon types that are implemented throughout the game AND BALANCED. Guess what, i got fired for that for "power abuse", so plan B do what i did the first time and make it purely off calculations. All the overhaul changes both the first second and third time was based off all calculations that i did. Fired again. wat. Give me a damn break, if you don't like what im doing freaking communicate that with me. I already knew "no one" (graalians was on board along with in game basers but no one on the ZP forums and thats there only feedback source aka all sparrers) were not on board, I apologized to them and was going to change them back on friday and start over from scratch and reapproach everything including how i conduct experiments. But naw better fire ghetto amirite?
Its offical, its impossible to work with graal zone.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

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the only time i ever did proper testing was the first time around, using unreleased weapons to create new weapon types that are implemented throughout the game AND BALANCED. Guess what, i got fired for that for "power abuse", so plan B do what i did the first time and make it purely off calculations. All the overhaul changes both the first second and third time was based off all calculations that i did. Fired again. wat. Give me a damn break, if you don't like what im doing freaking communicate that with me. I already knew "no one" (graalians was on board along with in game basers but no one on the ZP forums and thats there only feedback source aka all sparrers) were not on board, I apologized to them and was going to change them back on friday and start over from scratch and reapproach everything including how i conduct experiments. But naw better fire ghetto amirite?
Its offical, its impossible to work with graal zone.

Well, it looks like Zone has a difficult time communicating properly, and has an awful way of generating feedback. If it is true that a majority of Zone-Play forumers are sparrers, then that's unfortunate. Well, GiT's ideas seemed very interesting, but I suppose they won't be happening. Damn shame!  

Hmm, you could have made any changes to the guns base on your calculations and test them with some of the staff members at an undisclosed location. I am sure there's staff around especially ZP's and they would be more than happy to help.

I kind of get why using unreleased weapons could be problem. Since a lot of players don't actually have a forum account or keep up with in-game information. They're going to be questioning why you have an unreleased weapon and might mistake it for a hack or some other stuff. Changes and testing should always be made private then released for a certain amount of time or days as a beta test before it's actually set in motion.  

Posted by DraGun

Hmm, you could have made any changes to the guns base on your calculations and test them with some of the staff members at an undisclosed location. I am sure there's staff around especially ZP's and they would be more than happy to help.

I kind of get why using unreleased weapons could be problem. Since a lot of players don't actually have a forum account or keep up with in-game information. They're going to be questioning why you have an unreleased weapon and might mistake it for a hack or some other stuff. Changes and testing should always be made private then released for a certain amount of time or days as a beta test before it's actually set in motion.

private = bad. The problem with private testing is that its not live, you have no idea how it will act live and in certain situations. Public is always the way to go since public you have a much larger sample size and an easier time finding the middle ground along with more areas to test in. With public testing you also have a larger audience who will find ways to abuse the system and someone will spill the beans and it can be fixed faster than private testing. Another issue is you get biased opinions on private testing. Most of the admins are really bad at the game and know nothing about how combat works, or they are sparrers who don't have a single clue about how large bases work or the opposite way around. Also this game can be updated whenever, meaning you can make patches on the go. I am 100% against private testing. It sucks ass.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

private = bad. The problem with private testing is that its not live, you have no idea how it will act live and in certain situations. Public is always the way to go since public you have a much larger sample size and an easier time finding the middle ground along with more areas to test in. With public testing you also have a larger audience who will find ways to abuse the system and someone will spill the beans and it can be fixed faster than private testing. Another issue is you get biased opinions on private testing. Most of the admins are really bad at the game and know nothing about how combat works, or they are sparrers who don't have a single clue about how large bases work or the opposite way around. Also this game can be updated whenever, meaning you can make patches on the go. I am 100% against private testing. It sucks ass.

i kinda really agree with this lol  

True, did you announce that the changes to the guns were temporary and was in its testing phase? You could also have change the gfx of an unreleased gun you were testing to a gun that was already available to the public. That way players wouldn't be confused to how or why you have the weapon.  

Posted by DraGun

True, did you announce that the changes to the guns were temporary and was in its testing phase? You could also have change the gfx of an unreleased gun you were testing to a gun that was already available to the public. That way players wouldn't be confused to how or why you have the weapon.

it was on the ZP forums that the gun changes are not permanent and are very likely to change.  

Funny that you went back to Zone at all though.  

Wow I was actually quite enjoying the changes. Doing a fine job and fired again? Guess Zone don't like change at all. Shame. Has potential but it just get ruined with the management decisions.  

This is ridiculous. I was liking the changes I was hearing so much that I was really about to log on and give this server another try, as I never found it too appealing when I began playing. Now that GiT is fired (again), there's literally nothing about this game that would make me want to play this over Era. The least they could give this game was a unique combat system, but so much for that. Tashkin is digging his own grave at this point.  

The changes GIT made were insane. He acted like the guns did 20 dmg and had a rof of .0001, or 1 dmg and rof of 5.0. He changed the stats big-time. The guns were really just fine before, not the best, but fine, so subtle changes is all that was needed. And GIT did it on a mass level, he changed every gun at once, making it impossible to judge how the new changes work, because unless they ALL worked at once magically, there's no way to tell how to change it for the better.
As with the staff, I also think they should be mature no matter what staff they are, dev, ZP, GA, etc... And I know GIT wasn't that sadly. So for that alone, I like having new GA.  

http://zone-play.com/showthread.php?...lancing-thread  

Posted by PigParty

As with the staff, I also think they should be mature no matter what staff they are, dev, ZP, GA, etc... And I know GIT wasn't that sadly. So for that alone, I like having new GA.

Neither is a large amount of their team.