Posted by Ghettoicedtea

graal needs a complete management overhaul. IMO all staff but player releations should be hired and paid full time, running voluntary staff is just terrible and doesn't work, zone and era perfect examples.

oh oh is it because they have more labor in china so they can make more money by paying employees less and spend it on research and then the Chinese make the devices at a dirt poor price?

Because apple doesn't need it, whereas the android OS uses more energy, which points out how poorly the power is being used on the second OS.
Just FYI, Chinese devices are cheap because the hand-pay fee is low in their country due to the high population, and sometimes something made in china is better than the ones in the USA product-wise.  

Posted by Johnaudi

Because apple doesn't need it, whereas the android OS uses more energy, which points out how poorly the power is being used on the second OS.

oh I see
no wander why my friends phone gets so damn hot  

My droid currently lasts longer than my brothers iphone.  

@Ghetto
China and iPhone*

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...n-how-its-made

Right? ;)

Posted by Johnaudi

Because apple doesn't need it, whereas the android OS uses more energy, which points out how poorly the power is being used on the second OS.
Just FYI, Chinese devices are cheap because the hand-pay fee is low in their country due to the high population, and sometimes something made in china is better than the ones in the USA product-wise.

Android doesn't need pricy hardware, which I think is what you were implicitely talking about, else why would it matter? Better os=need better hardware.
Yet better hardware doesn't mean price, seen Xiaomi recently? They sold 150,000 Mi2's in 1 min and 43 secs, full hd quad core smartphone under 250$(I dont remember the price, but it was cheap afffff)
And the fact, that you agree apple doesn't need 2gb of ram for example, comes back to my main, how do you justify apple devices having More/the same price as those new-gen killer smartphones like the S4? They can't, its a pure rip off.

And android has flash and all that stuff, so ofc, the ipad's 512 mb of ram would on an android os be a lag fest, that's logic lmfao.

Like saying toyota doesn't need a ferrari motor, lmfao. Ofc it doesn't, I mean toyota...  

Posted by Ozzy_Magus

@Ghetto
China and iPhone*

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...n-how-its-made

Right? ;)

Android doesn't need pricy hardware, which I think is what you were implicitely talking about, else why would it matter? Better os=need better hardware.
Yet better hardware doesn't mean price, seen Xiaomi recently? They sold 150,000 Mi2's in 1 min and 43 secs, full hd quad core smartphone under 250$(I dont remember the price, but it was cheap afffff)
And the fact, that you agree apple doesn't need 2gb of ram for example, comes back to my main, how do you justify apple devices having More/the same price as those new-gen killer smartphones like the S4? They can't, its a pure rip off.

And android has flash and all that stuff, so ofc, the ipad's 512 mb of ram would on an android os be a lag fest, that's logic lmfao.

Like saying toyota doesn't need a ferrari motor, lmfao. Ofc it doesn't, I mean toyota...

Stop right there, you're wrong.

Just to get out of that blurry point for you, I have nothing against the S4's stats, I actually think they're pretty awesome for a smartphone.
The fact that it is 'android' just ruined my point of view. People bought S4's thinking just because the stats are better, means they are better, and they are all wrong.
It's like giving you a 24GB RAM, GeForce GPU, i7 Extreme CPU in a computer, and installing Windows 98 on it, got my idea?  

Could replace Windows 98 with any other Windows, wouldn't make any difference.  

Posted by PumaD

Could replace Windows 98 with any other Windows, wouldn't make any difference.

It was an example...  

Posted by Johnaudi

It was an example...

So you are saying that the software on the phone determines the performance of the hardware?  

Posted by hosler

So you are saying that the software on the phone determines the performance of the hardware?

He thinks its like that, but both of them have to be one with eachother. Which is called optimisation.
iOs is very limited, doesn't support flash so it doesn't need 2gb of ram like a s4 to run the latest android version (android phones don't need 2gb ram tho, just if they'd want to use the latest version of droid os).
Apple's apps are so smooth-lag free because iOs doesn't run anything that could produce lag or anything....
Software+Hardware+Optimisation=good phone

A mercedes needs a benz motor right? But you need a benz to put a benz motor on it.
Same applies to apple/android.  

Posted by Ozzy_Magus

He thinks its like that, but both of them have to be one with eachother. Which is called optimisation.
iOs is very limited, doesn't support flash so it doesn't need 2gb of ram like a s4 to run the latest android version (android phones don't need 2gb ram tho, just if they'd want to use the latest version of droid os).
Apple's apps are so smooth-lag free because iOs doesn't run anything that could produce lag or anything....
Software+Hardware+Optimisation=good phone

A mercedes needs a benz motor right? But you need a benz to put a benz motor on it.
Same applies to apple/android.

Never compare electronics to something else, lol.
Flash takes nothing from the RAM, you can't use it as an excuse that consumes energy.

Posted by hosler

So you are saying that the software on the phone determines the performance of the hardware?

Nope, it determines how much performance (or minimum requirements) the hardware needs to be.  

Posted by Johnaudi

It was an example...

twas a joke jojo :[  

Posted by Johnaudi

Nope, it determines how much performance (or minimum requirements) the hardware needs to be.

Then I don't understand why you would think that Windows 98 needs 24gigs of ram. Or are you trying to say that Android is like Windows 98 in that it doesn't need a lot to run, and that most Android phones are jammed packed with awesome hardware?  

Posted by hosler

Then I don't understand why you would think that Windows 98 needs 24gigs of ram. Or are you trying to say that Android is like Windows 98 in that it doesn't need a lot to run, and that most Android phones are jammed packed with awesome hardware?

On the vice versa my friend, it uses a lot to run it's OS.
Back in the early 99, 512MB was ALOT for the win98 (which let's it run smoothly).
The principle of this example was to show that, each OS runs at certain specs... As I can see, with all these specs, the S4 still has buggy times in certain games/applications, even in default applications.
Hope you got my point of view.  

Posted by Johnaudi

On the vice versa my friend, it uses a lot to run it's OS.
Back in the early 99, 512MB was ALOT for the win98 (which let's it run smoothly).
The principle of this example was to show that, each OS runs at certain specs... As I can see, with all these specs, the S4 still has buggy times in certain games/applications, even in default applications.
Hope you got my point of view.

Which comes back to my point that with apple, its all about the price,
They sell you low-end (not in therm of quality, but more like additional, better hardware) hardware, and price their devices in the same/above other smartphones like android rofl.
Apple:800$ for a 1gb ram phone (iP5)
Others: 250-800$ for 1-2gb ram phones (S2,S3,S4,Htc One,LG optimus series, Nexus 4&5)
The nexus kills the iphones in price/hardware. 200$ for the 4 and more or less 300$ for the new one (not out yet)
Yes, apple ripps you off.  

Posted by Johnaudi

On the vice versa my friend, it uses a lot to run it's OS.
Back in the early 99, 512MB was ALOT for the win98 (which let's it run smoothly).
The principle of this example was to show that, each OS runs at certain specs... As I can see, with all these specs, the S4 still has buggy times in certain games/applications, even in default applications.
Hope you got my point of view.

I don't know what you are getting at because my android phone will idle at 100 megs of ram use.