lol hey talon you should bring all the posts from the last 8 pages of the spar thread.  

Posted by Rezon

I have yet to see a legitimate/proper explanation of why PC players have an advantage over iOS sparrers besides the ability to strafe. Everyone claims to have provided sufficient evidence, however they have been shut down every single time and continue to think they're right.

please, provide some valid arguments.

Get over yourself. Okay I'm done here.  

Posted by Winter

LOL he still doesn't get it! Using cheatengine isn't even considered "hacking"... Even so, it will still take up more CPU and make your computer even slower. I haven't found someone using cheatengine on iClassic for a whole year now, maybe more. How about us normal people using nothing but the internet browser? Is that still unfair if we don't use cheatengine, which by the way, results in an autoban as soon as you log on?

If you really believe a browser can boost connection speed, you are horribly incorrect. Movement speed via third-party resources shouldn't even be taken into account in this discussion, because it is not legal.


Also, I can argue that iPhone players have the ability to make a fake "smurf" account to play on and have a /350 deviation rating, and shoot up to the top of the leaderboards in just a day or so. While very annoying, it also throws the rating circulation off balance and causes the leaderboards to be inaccurate repesentations of the "best sparrer". How does an iPhone player defend that?

autoban? i don't think so. Cheat engine is used all the time in iClassic. You need to play more. The majority of people that have gotten banned was because of a PC from using cheat engine.THEY DO NOT GET AN AUTOBAN Their system might detect that someone might be hacking, but and admin will have to check it out first. Speed hacking is near undetectable between 1.0 (normal speed) to 1.3. Internet browsers like moving between 1.0 to 1.2.

This makes PC unfair. Also Stefan did a crappy job on the app for Facebook and hence why you can't hit people from the Facebook app  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

autoban? i don't think so. Cheat engine is used all the time in iClassic. You need to play more. The majority of people that have gotten banned was because of a PC from using cheat engine.THEY DO NOT GET AN AUTOBAN Their system might detect that someone might be hacking, but and admin will have to check it out first. Speed hacking is near undetectable between 1.0 (normal speed) to 1.3. Internet browsers like moving between 1.0 to 1.2.

This makes PC unfair. Also Stefan did a crappy job on the app for Facebook and hence why you can't hit people from the Facebook app

Either you're seriously 12 years old, or you're just saying random things hoping that at least one thing you say is slightly accurate..

If neither, the only plausible explanation is that you have got to be kidding.  

Posted by David

Either you're seriously 12 years old, or you're just saying random things hoping that at least one thing you say is slightly accurate..

If neither, the only plausible explanation is that you have got to be kidding.

I am 12. If you don't believe me, suck my ****. Download cheat engine, use speed hack go to 1.3 and enjoy the new speed boost without getting tracked down!  

Posted by Tyler

Get over yourself. Okay I'm done here.

Further proof for my post. Avoid question, throw a personal bash then walk off like they're superior. Its all a pride thing.  

Posted by Thallen

Aren't you this guy? Only pointing fingers because you chose to, I honestly don't even know you.

Indeed that is him the one who you clearly caught pausing to avoid sparring losses the one who sat on 8000+ spar rate for several months by some means or other and stayed there by only sparring one noob a day to prevent his rate from being wiped away. And this is also the same person that challenged Jack (Scooby) to a spar series on iClassic and got his ass handed to him 15-2.  

How about posting some concrete evidence? I mean, if you can't do that this thread shouldn't go on any longer.  

ok so we talking about the differences in clients.

Pc client:
1.mainly older players 18+
2.think they knowitall
3.pros at butthurting themselves
4.want to use iphone servers but are afraid to leave their pc behind
5.feel its an accomplishment to beat kids using slower device
6.no skill noobs
7.hate bomber because he ignores their pc graal and constantly complain

iPhone client:
1.mainly kids
2.they knowitall
3.dont know what butthurt is
4.welcome any pc noob to the iphone world on a device and lols the lamer that uses his pc
5.feel it’s an accomplishment to get past the tutorial
6.skillfull pros
7.love bomber for all the updates and he loves them back for making him money without constantly complaining

As you can see there are many differences between the clients that pc graal and iphone graal have.
...........
:noobs:  

Posted by GOAT

ok so we talking about the differences in clients.

Pc client:
1.mainly older players 18+
2.think they knowitall
3.pros at butthurting themselves
4.want to use iphone servers but are afraid to leave their pc behind
5.feel its an accomplishment to beat kids using slower device
6.no skill noobs
7.hate bomber because he ignores their pc graal and constantly complain

iPhone client:
1.mainly kids
2.they knowitall
3.dont know what butthurt is
4.welcome any pc noob to the iphone world on a device and lols the lamer that uses his pc
5.feel it’s an accomplishment to get past the tutorial
6.skillfull pros
7.love bomber for all the updates and he loves them back for making him money without constantly complaining

As you can see there are many differences between the clients that pc graal and iphone graal have.
...........
:noobs:

Ignoring your first four points and your last point because they're nothing short of ******ed and have next to no relevance to the discussion.

Now moving on to the pathetic excuse for a list of "differences" as you put it, obviously if you take two opposite ends of the spectrum as you're doing comparing a player with a reasonably good computer to that of someone with a clustered old iDevice its obvious the iDevice would be slower. However the same applies to someone with a old and slow computer as compared to someone with a new iDevice, the one using the computer would obviously appear slower. But on average they're the same speed, or maybe its just you having terribly slow reflexes.

There are as you put it "skillful pros" on both sides but you fall very short of being one. So instead of crying about how you get you owned by players on PC why not practise more and butt hurt less?  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

autoban? i don't think so. Cheat engine is used all the time in iClassic. You need to play more. The majority of people that have gotten banned was because of a PC from using cheat engine.THEY DO NOT GET AN AUTOBAN Their system might detect that someone might be hacking, but and admin will have to check it out first. Speed hacking is near undetectable between 1.0 (normal speed) to 1.3. Internet browsers like moving between 1.0 to 1.2.

I am consistently stunned by how stupid you are.

• You've actually convinced yourself that there is a hacking problem within the spar community.
• You've managed to do this as someone who has never even been in the spar arena once in the past month.
• You've actually convinced yourself that a 30% speed increase is not noticeable by the naked eye (ROFL).
• You're under the impression that there are not apps on Cydia that cannot change your tick speed the same way CheatEngine can for processes on Windows.
• You've made a baseless and ******ed claim that browsers increase your tick speed by 20%, randomly (ROFL).

Posted by Ash Ketchum

This makes PC unfair. Also Stefan did a crappy job on the app for Facebook and hence why you can't hit people from the Facebook app

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL

Leave this thread to the sparrers, man. You and GOAT are a riot.  

Originally, I had planned to type out a long paragraph about delays, speed boosts, advantages and disadvantages but this about sums it up:

http://psychology.about.com/od/pinde...ebo-effect.htm

Every iDevice user is a lagger. Every PC user has a speed advantage. Is it all necessarily true? Not exactly. Those are jusy stereotypes you hear a lot. I think a major reason as to why people find PC players to be better is because if they've been playing this game for 10 or so years on a PC, they would be very familiar with the controls and mechanics of sparring on a PC. Now if iClassic were out for 10 or so years and people have been sparring for a long time, you might say that they have an advantage.

Are Internet connection speeds and delays regular factors of sparring? Of course they are. But idealy if you threw a PC player with an iPhone player in the same arena using the same speed, the better player would come out on top.

So again, why are many PC players considered to be "better"? Experience and familiarity with the controls. Graal originated on the PC, so they've been using a PC for a long time. I'm not saying because they're experienced and familiar with the controls makes them virtually invincible at sparring. Anyone can win so long as they know they're able to.  

Posted by Rezon

I have yet to see a legitimate/proper explanation of why PC players have an advantage over iOS sparrers besides the ability to strafe. Everyone claims to have provided sufficient evidence, however they have been shut down every single time and continue to think they're right.

please, provide some valid arguments.

Shut down? Saying "stop whining" or "you're just mad" or some bs like that isn't shutting down anything that's just a pcer that can't come up with something to counter the argument. Now, let me put the arguments in my own words.

1. They walk through hits. No i'm not raging, anyone with normal vision can see it.

2. Keyboard controls > Touchscreen controls. Here's an example: I sometimes play games on my Nexus 7 which is a touchscreen with an actual controller built for tablets. It's 100 times easier to use the physical controller over the touchscreen's.

3. Maybe this was just me but ever since pc was allowed for iClassic I've noticed ridiculously high spar ratios that I've never seen before. Example: I saw that Rashard guy's spar score then I was like "Damn this guy must be good", then I sparred him and he was walking through hits like if he was a saint.

4. There's an iDevice only spar room and Gst for a reason.

Now to shut down the arguments saying pc's have no advantage.

1. "You're just whining butthurt noob". This isn't an actual argument try again.

2. "Go on pc then spar and I guarantee you will get destroyed". Well gee no ****... Someone who has no experience on a device will of course not be very good. Same for a pc who's never used an iDevice. Once they get familiar with pc after a bit I guarantee they'll start getting some bs wins.  

Posted by GotenGraal

1. They walk through hits. No i'm not raging, anyone with normal vision can see it.

You are truly, truly an idiot. If you lack the intelligence required to explain how or why this is possible, then don't make the claim.

Posted by GotenGraal

2. Keyboard controls > Touchscreen controls. Here's an example: I sometimes play games on my Nexus 7 which is a touchscreen with an actual controller built for tablets. It's 100 times easier to use the physical controller over the touchscreen's.

Can I ask why you don't spar on PC then?

3. Maybe this was just me but ever since pc was allowed for iClassic I've noticed ridiculously high spar ratios that I've never seen before. Example: I saw that Rashard guy's spar score then I was like "Damn this guy must be good", then I sparred him and he was walking through hits like if he was a saint.

You are truly, truly an idiot. If you lack the intelligence required to explain how or why this is possible, then don't make the claim.

Posted by GotenGraal

4. There's an iDevice only spar room and Gst for a reason.

Yes, the reason is because of complaints like yours. The administrators like to give crybabies what they want. That's how you maintain a playerbase. What do you expect?
When the government tax the wealthy a higher percentage than the middle class, it bears no implication that it's fair. They do it because it is what the majority want. Opinion, want, or need is not a variable in a fairness equation. You are dumb.  

I hope the idiots of this thread (yes, I'm talking to you GotenGraal, Ash Ketchum and GOAT) realize that we stopped being serious when we realized you're all mentally incapable of understanding how wrong you actually are. Now its just for fun.