Posted by Talon

If sparring is "just a game that shouldn't have rewards", what is the rest of the content on Graal? Honestly, there is very little done to incentivize sparring, so I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from.

Ya. Like I said, it's a sentiment that is felt in no other area of the community. Win at towers (which it closely associated with PKing), you get a prize. Win at events, you get a prize. Win at a tournament for GSing, you get a prize. Win at sparring, you get a bunch of butthurts calling you names.

Here's the Graalian psychology behind it: sparring is a very personal thing. It's the one thing on Graal where you can put yourself up against another single player at any given time and prove you're better than them. For some reason, this community hates that. In GSing, it's less of a blow to them because they go down with a team. At towers, it's less of a blow because you just die and get right back up or move to the next tower.

In every spar match, someone has to lose. That puts Graalians under severe emotional and psychological distress apparently. Why? IDK, ask the kid who made this thread. Ask the people who go ape**** after losing every spar. I guess people still haven't come to the understanding that sparring is a 6-hit game that incorporates all sorts of factors (including luck). There isn't a high enough skill cap to sparring where you can just be good enough and win every single spar at will.

Sparring could be a lot more competitive, but this community is too ***** for it. They'd rather make it a social event or a debate. "Why actually beat that player in an extended number of spars when I could just make a dramatic status about how much better I am without having to risk proving it?" That's how it is.  

If you would read my post, Thallen, you would know that I didn't take time to read it all  

Posted by Thallen

I really want to respect you as a partially-intelligent person, but when you say things like that it really makes me question that decision. Is that really your logic, or are you just giving me your best Goten impression?

"It is named this, thus it is." That logic is truly impenetrable, dude. "Why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?" Come on now.


How the hell am I "flaming?" If I was flaming, I'd come in here telling you that you're all **** sparrers and thus none of your opinions matter. I'd do what Comyt did, and come to this thread and make suggestions that only benefit an angsty teen ego. I'd insult people's personal lives and try to steer the thread as off-track as possible. But I'm not. I'm calmly replying to every person and taking a lot of my time just to have a discussion with people and express what I think would best benefit sparring, because I like doing it.

Have you taken the time to read my posts and then read what others post towards me? You'd hardly call what I'm doing "flaming" if you did. Winter and I are actually the only ones actively keeping this thread from devolving to some subhuman grunting contest where you all argue over who the worst sparrer is.


So what is your stance on towers? What about guild sparring? Events?
Maybe people enjoy those, but has it ever crossed your mind that they draw such a large base of players because they reward those who win? Why should sparring be any different? Does it really bother you personally to know that the best sparrers in the game would be rewarded? I don't understand that. Do you have any idea how many tower guilds would immediately die out if they removed the hour-based hat rewards? Try to draw a parallel here, it isn't hard to see.

I'm getting so many mentions from the 10 year graalian vet! I'm honored!  

Posted by -Albus

Getting rid of the leaderboards isn't a good idea. Why not have sparring seasons and offer incentives for people to get on the leaderboards. Something assimple as a medal or a hat awarded to the top 100 at the end would help draw more of a crowd to spar. A singles spar tournament at the end of each season would be a great way to end each season. Having 64 people compete may seem like a lot to handle but I think it is something that can definitely be done.

Posted by Thallen

100% agreed on both leaderboard rewards per season and a singles tournament. For a leaderboard prize, I think the leaderboard would need some tweaks to the points system (ahem, my thread), but I think it'd be awesome. People are acting as if the solution to making sparring more fun is to make it less competitive and I completely disagree.

This has been suggested before by myself and others. I even have a guide to making your own spar league in the guides section of the classic forums. Which could also be used as a format for "sparring seasons". I guess neither matters all that much. Spar seasons or leagues is a great idea and I don't think anybody would disagree with that. I would like to suggest if this was done that all the same issues would still be there that are plaguing sparring at the moment. So there may be a need to hire some new admins to regulate the leagues or spar seasons to help with the work load from the current admins/gp's that handle sparring issues.  

Omg this thread, endlessly continues.  

Posted by meganey98

Omg this thread, endlessly continues.

As Einstein once said, the only things that are infinite are the universe and human stupidity.  

 

Lol who made that?  

Posted by Thallen

I really want to respect you as a partially-intelligent person, but when you say things like that it really makes me question that decision. Is that really your logic, or are you just giving me your best Goten impression?

"It is named this, thus it is." That logic is truly impenetrable, dude. "Why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?" Come on now.

lol. That was just lack of motivation to waste time typing more opinion, so i summarized it with one word, emphasizing one letter. But here I go:

[to my understanding] iClassic (oops, GraalOnline Classic) was recreated from the original PC server specifically for iPod. And then two years later the FB client was introduced.. [in my opinion] The FB and Skyrider clients are crappy because of various bugs. iClassic is still predominately iDevice users and always will be. could go on but im already bored. [many people believe] PC have an advantage because of different movement patterns ("strafing" as you call it), and most PCs generally have a lot less (or a lot more) lag than iPods, making them more difficult to spar.

My point: PCs come along onto a server that was intended for iPods, thinking theyre "all that and more;" Of course iPods arent going to be happy.  

PCs giving management more monies and players. I remember the day when computers could first access the server.  

Posted by meganey98

Omg this thread, endlessly continues.

It only continues because people conveniently overlook and spam past the points that the intelligent people of this thread are making (such as my last post). You can't really end a conversation of two sides disagreeing when that happens. It was actually dead for 2 days and then Comyt bumped it because he desperately wants this belief to be promoted.

Much like their personalities in sparring itself, some people just can't accept when they've lost!

Posted by Tyler

Correct. It will continue as long as people say things that are worth answering. That's typically how a forum thread works. Someone should use that image as the new prompt to continue your spar streak in the main room.  

I can accept the fact that I lost and not argue about a game feature for days.  

Had the same problems on PC, and everyone just dealt with it.  

Posted by Stocke

Had the same problems on PC, and everyone just dealt with it.

PC servers had single spar tournaments where the winners would get a belt or a statue. I don't think PC servers really had the same problems that Classic has when it comes to sparring.  

Posted by Aaron

PCs giving management more monies and players.

wat?
I highly doubt that PCs buy significantly more gralat packs in proportion to iDevices.
And as for player count, I would dare to say PCs only make up 15% of Graals population, no more than 20%; and again, there are several that played Graal on iPod before PC was available.