Posted by Thallen

Men talk **** in groups of other men all the time, especially when it comes to sexual things. Anyone who has been to college knows this, let's not pretend to all be sheltered little pansies…

What Trump said is true anyway. When you're a star, there are women that will let you do whatever you want to them. They're called groupies. Strange how the "victims" only came forward when the spotlight and opportunity to cash in was there. It's almost as if they'd be the type to sleep with a celebrity for money-related benefits or fame!

In pigparty and vendettas world, women would never do such thing.  

I didn't say all women did, but a lot of women who find them selves in that sort of surrounding pretty much married rich because they are the type of girl that's attracted to wealth and popularity

I don't ever remember hearing him say "I grab them by the p----y", he said "grab them by the p---sy, they let you do anything" which is just him exaggerating the fact that some girls will do anything for fortune and fame.

If anything, this is just a lewd conversation where he overplays his character and tries to brag about being popular, this is no where near being the level of admitting sexual assault.

Like hell, the girl he said he tried to get with (keyword TRIED, he realized she wasn't interested and STOPPED) let's him take her furniture shopping so she can take advantage of his wealth for her gain, further proving the point he made that yes some women LET and INSTIGATE things like this for their gain.

Even if he did (he didn't) if somebody "sexually assaults" you, and you just let it happen without saying anything because they are rich and famous and you are enjoying a free ride (which would just prompt them to think you are OKAY with it), is it really sexual assault?

It's like those girls who consent to sex, regret it after, and claim it was rape because they changed their mind and want to take back their consent after it already happened.  

Posted by ReD s.

In pigparty and vendettas world, women would never do such thing.

Ignorance like that is what gives Trump the bad stigma he has today. I never said there aren't women that do that. In fact, I have said multiple times on this thread that I'm voting for Trump. I just admit his flaws instead of blindly supporting him. Vendetta has given reasons for supporting Clinton by the way. He has said he liked the policies she's spoken about, such as climate change, allowing more Syrian refugees in the country, and more. Don't be stupid just because you can't handle someone disagreeing with you.

Posted by Colin

I didn't say all women did, but a lot of women who find them selves in that sort of surrounding pretty much married rich because they are the type of girl that's attracted to wealth and popularity

I don't ever remember hearing him say "I grab them by the p----y", he said "grab them by the p---sy, they let you do anything" which is just him exaggerating the fact that some girls will do anything for fortune and fame.

If anything, this is just a lewd conversation where he overplays his character and tries to brag about being popular, this is no where near being the level of admitting sexual assault.

Like hell, the girl he said he tried to get with (keyword TRIED, he realized she wasn't interested and STOPPED) let's him take her furniture shopping so she can take advantage of his wealth for her gain, further proving the point he made that yes some women LET and INSTIGATE things like this for their gain.

Even if he did (he didn't) if somebody "sexually assaults" you, and you just let it happen without saying anything because they are rich and famous and you are enjoying a free ride (which would just prompt them to think you are OKAY with it), is it really sexual assault?

You argue that there's no evidence proving he did that, yet who outright say "he didn't" as if there's evidence to prove he hasn't ever done that. I also never said he admitted he did it, as you know from my post. I said he clearly suggested he did that, which is true. Maybe he was lying and exaggerating, but he clearly suggested that he was the one doing it and anyone who disagrees with that is only lying to themselves.

The language I just witnessed you post shows clear ignorance of what sexual assault actually is. It's sad that many people (actually a whole ****ing lot of people) still don't know what rape/sexual assault is and what actually qualifies as that.

http://affirmativeconsent.com/affirm...tate-by-state/

Affirmative consent is a knowing, voluntary, and mutual decision among all participants to engage in sexual activity. Consent can be given by words or actions, as long as those words or actions create clear permission regarding willingness to engage in the sexual activity. Silence or lack of resistance, in and of itself, does not demonstrate consent. The definition of consent does not vary based upon a participant's sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression.

And while it is not the law in every state, it is a good moral standard to hold anyone to at the very least.

I just chuckled after I thought how much you guys would all be flipping the **** out if the roles were reversed and the recording was of Hillary Clinton saying "grab them by the p---y" and everything else said in that recording. Your political bias has created a double standard and most of you don't even realize it.  

Hey guys, PigParty sexually assaulted me, and since there's no evidence to prove he's never done that, you can't say he didn't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How the hell do you even get evidence to prove you DIDN'T do something? Wtf???

If Hillary said the same thing, we wouldn't call her out for admitting or bragging about sexual assault, we aren't ten, we realize people say stuff like this in groups all the time without meaning it and often exaggerate these sort of things, you can't whine because somebody said something lewd.  

Posted by Colin

Hey guys, PigParty sexually assaulted me, and since there's no evidence to prove he's never done that, you can't say he didn't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How the hell do you even get evidence to prove you DIDN'T do something? Wtf???

How the hell do you even get evidence to prove that he did that? There's plenty of ways to disprove accusers, as you have actually gave examples of disproving some of his accusers. Almost every single case of sexual crimes are a he-said, she-said case. Get real. Stupid arguments like that get stupid responses like this.  

So what, if you can't disprove their claim then you just assume the person is guilty of sexual assault?

People like you are why Brian Banks served 5 years in prison and had his life ruined over a false sexual assault claim  

Posted by Colin

So what, if you can't disprove their claim then you just assume the person is guilty of sexual assault?

People like you are why Brian Banks served 5 years in prison and had his life ruined over a false sexual assault claim

What the **** are you even going on about? I've said in previous posts that I never assumed anything. I based my opinion as to whether or not Trump did what he described based on all the information we're given. It's my opinion for ****s sake, not a criminal case (which I have actually pointed out multiple times and have said that there's no evidence to prove him guilty beyond reasonable doubt which is needed in a criminal trial). If you can't prove their claim, then you just assume the person is innocent? The hypocrisy is so blatantly obvious. "People like me" are not why someone gets wrongly convicted. Again, get real. Stop, please, just pretending I said one thing when I blatantly said the exact opposite as the **** you're spewing. My personal opinion is he did what he described in the video. Your opinion is that he did not. Your opinion is not that he is not guilty. You specifically said he is innocent. Don't be a complete hypocrite. He's in a court of public opinion (which again, I have said multiple times in previous posts, but you selectively read apparently). He's not in a criminal trial and there is not enough evidence to find him guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Not sure why I have to say this so many times just because your opinion differs from mine.

Hell, in my one of my previous CJ classes, we went over the ORC (Ohio Revised Code) as that's the state I live in, and the sexual assault charge in Ohio requires evidence other than the victim's testimony to prove someone in a criminal trial guilty of sexual imposition.

No person shall be convicted of a violation of this section solely upon the victim's testimony unsupported by other evidence.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907  

Yes, if you can't prove your claim I 100% believe the person isn't guilty, innocent until proven otherwise.

"All the information we're given" is one lewd comment he made to a group of other men in a private setting, something at least well over 50% of guys and girls will do in their life time  

Posted by Colin

Yes, if you can't prove your claim I 100% believe the person isn't guilty, innocent until proven otherwise.

"All the information we're given" is one lewd comment he made to a group of other men in a private setting, something at least well over 50% of guys and girls will do in their life time

Ok, and that's fine. I feel the same way in a criminal trial. I would bet that Trump would be held liable in a civil trial. That only requires preponderance of the evidence, which to be honest, is many people's requirement for public opinion. Just as in the OJ trial. He was found not guilty in criminal trial, but was liable in civil trial. You can have a different opinion than mine as to his guilt. That's fine. It should be fine from your point of view for me to have a different opinion, but you kept putting nonsense in my mouth, which is why I argued this much into this conversation.

Just adding this in here incase you didn't see it since I added this in an edit to my previous post:

Hell, in my one of my previous CJ classes, we went over the ORC (Ohio Revised Code) as that's the state I live in, and the sexual assault charge in Ohio requires evidence other than the victim's testimony to prove someone in a criminal trial guilty of sexual imposition.

No person shall be convicted of a violation of this section solely upon the victim's testimony unsupported by other evidence.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907  

The real showdown for Tuesday and the topic people should be talking about more is the senate. Its razor close and could dramatically effect how much President Clinton can do. Hell if it goes republican they could block the supreme court for 4 more years.  

*sigh*  

I really hope that if war happens, my country will not be brought into it, however, England is an ally of America so i just hope our Prime Minister isn't stupid enough to get us into serious trouble, and that either sides of the possible war are not stupid enough to press the big red button, for the sake of mankind.

However, like others have said, im sure powerful leaders wont go to war against another powerful leader.  

Saddle up guys for 4 years of HC. In 2020, she might run again if she doesn't die of old age, but we do have Kanye.  

Posted by Bryan*

Saddle up guys for 4 years of HC. In 2020, she might run again if she doesn't die of old age, but we do have Kanye.

Don't knock yourself down yet.

Donald still has a chance to win.  

Hopefully Kanye wins in 2020