sorry if I seem mad, but this game is crap n it only gets worse. the only way they keep players is the rare, strategic update. i just want this game fixed!
btw i think this quote needs to highlighted here. im mot makin a new thread for it so feel free to comment on this too:

Posted by NCJohn

I dislike that classics staff takes no initiative to do anything. Considering the amount of talent they have on their staff they should be putting out updates consistently on a day to day basis. If you look at the news you'll see that the only updates they ever have are "2 new hats have been added to snowtown". The last "major" update was the railroads and if you think about it, the railroad could have been done months ago considering it doesnt take a whole lot of time to make some levels. Also to give an example from a personal experience of mine, it shouldn't take 5 moths and several emails to get a simple account transfer. Classic really needs to take tip from era; if you compared the 2 servers, era is probably more happy with their staff then classic. iEras staff puts out decent updates consistently and even adds content that players suggest. If classic wants to save it's weakening playercount, then they really need to step it up before igk comes out.

take it from the Era staff, our server sucks! but i dont wanna move to Era, i just want Classic to be better! so classic staff: cut the crap!  

Posted by twilit

-Spar & Guild Spar scoreboards: way too many ppl on PCs. As stated in the "Top 10 classic sparrers" thread (ya the one that got 100posts on a few hrs...); PCers have unfair advantages and take up most of the spar board.

The spar scoreboard is the only relevant one and it's not meaningless. People who play on PC's don't have "unfair advantages" unless you count experience. The facebook client is **** and I get less ping on my iPhone. There are many iSparrers that would decimate most "PC sparrers" so where's the advantage there?  

Posted by twilit

sorry if I seem mad, but this game is crap n it only gets worse. the only way they keep players is the rare, strategic update. i just want this game fixed!
btw i think this quote needs to highlighted here. im mot makin a new thread for it so feel free to comment on this too:



take it from the Era staff, our server sucks! but i dont wanna move to Era, i just want Classic to be better! so classic staff: cut the crap!

Can you do a better job? No so shut up. Considering most staff are not even paid and they have to put up with whiny brats like you on a daily basis I think they are doing a pretty good job. Keep up the good work guys! Also if you think the game is so crap stop playing, and stop filling up the forums with these stupid threads.  

Do scoreboards in ANY game ever serve a purpose?  

I wouldn't mind if they were removed. It seems like no matter what is done to make them seem accurate, there's always people there to get past it with their boosting and alternate accounts. When it comes to the sparring leaderboards I think there is also a disincentive to participate when you're high up on the list, which isn't really the point. I can't see it being done though; too many people play solely to have their name in lights.  

Posted by callimuc

What else is to expect if you make such a thread? People who are in the scores mostly like it and people which are not in the scores mostly don't like it. I would rather see an improvement stopping all the boosters and resetting them (if they can be found) rather than removing stuff like that just because of them.

Yeah I would like to just see them reset too.

Posted by Furryamigo

Explain to me how pc players have an advantage in spar

They are much faster and walk through hits at times. Also you can't combo hit a pc like iphone. When you hit a pc once theres a little delay before you can hit them again.  

Posted by Madhog

Can you do a better job? No so shut up. Considering most staff are not even paid and they have to put up with whiny brats like you on a daily basis I think they are doing a pretty good job. Keep up the good work guys! Also if you think the game is so crap stop playing, and stop filling up the forums with these stupid threads.

if all ur going to do is rage at me.... then get. the. fuhk. off. my. threads! plz! no ones forcing you to read them.

and ik staff arent paid, but still Era is doing a better job n they arent paid either. thats my argument. y is the more popular server NOT the better one?
i will no longer reply to useless rage and disrespect. k? bye bye

Posted by Rufus

I wouldn't mind if they were removed. It seems like no matter what is done to make them seem accurate, there's always people there to get past it with their boosting and alternate accounts. When it comes to the sparring leaderboards I think there is also a disincentive to participate when you're high up on the list, which isn't really the point. I can't see it being done though; too many people play solely to have their name in lights.

thats the problem. everyone plays these games for the "recognition". idc. idc wat ppl think of me halfway across the world. they dont know me i dont know them. idc if my fake name is on a scoreboard for them to see; idc if their fake name is on a scoreboard for me to see.  

I am really sorry but i have to disagree with you twilit. I dont think this will bring any good at all...  

Posted by Daphne

I am really sorry but i have to disagree with you twilit. I dont think this will bring any good at all...

perfect example of "disagreeing politely w/o rage or dosrespect". thank you ma'am : )
yes ik it wont bring good:/ ppl would just nonstop rage. but its so stupid. people cheating n other crap just for "recognition"  

Yes that is indeed not right... What i think would be idealistic is since almost everyone disagrees with such actions we should just not give the the recognision they want. Scoreboards are still very helpful if you are in search of a good spar or towertaking guild.  

Posted by twilit

Here we go. Top 50 scoreboards? complete joke now. too many ways to cheat to get on them
-PK scoreboard: people are stealing and combing several ppls accounts together to multiply their stats... wow pathetic. not to mention the ppl who sword spam over mod warp points...
-Spar & Guild Spar scoreboards: way too many ppl on PCs. As stated in the "Top 10 classic sparrers" thread (ya the one that got 100posts on a few hrs...); PCers have unfair advantages and take up most of the spar board.
-Guild Tower/Fort Time scoreboard: using the FB server to get hours was too easy. Its an advantage thats not even available anymore. (yes ik its too late to separate hours from iphone, yes ik FB guilds dont care they have an advantage, yes ik no one knew hours were going to merge. no need to go down those paths).

so basically all the top 50 scoreboards are pointless.
My solution: GET RID OF EM! Just delete the button on the "Guilds" menu that says "scores". Delete the buttons on profiles that lead to spar n PK boards. Theres no equality so theres no reason to recognized on an equal level. Boosters shouldnt be recognized on same level as real pkers; PCers n iPoders shouldnt be recognized on the same level. iPhone guilds n old FB shouldnt be recognized on same level.

Sadly, ik this will probably never happen. So plz dont rage and disrespect my opinion like certain ppl did in my last thread. if u disagree, do so politely w/o yelling saying "THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA" with no solid reason. If all ur gonna do is rage n flame, GTFO PLZ! dont wanna hear it

PC sparrers are actually at a disadvantage... Quit raging. iPhone players run 20% faster than the pc client(0.6 vs 0.5 tiles/frame for those wondering.

You rage and flame and I have no right do to so? ok. Also you're not required to view the scores so just dont bother, lol  

Posted by Tyler

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...1&postcount=39

That barely gives you an advantage, plus half the keyboards cant do that due to keyboard ghosting. (Hardware issue which conflicts with multiple keys pressed down). The only way to truly settle this argument is to have an unbiased opinion, someone who has used both devices..  

Posted by Skill

PC sparrers are actually at a disadvantage...

About 80% of all of graal would argue against this :o the other 20% are PCers in denial.  

Dear god twilit... Take a few breaths before going apesh*t on this forum..

First off, you do have a point. Whats going on with the leaderboards right now has been unfair because of the merging and boosting thats been going on lately but these are completely optional. Its not being thrown in your face but if you'd like to, take the chance to practice and probably you'll beat boosters and PC players in sparring.. Sounds hard but could actually be possible..

Second, ranting doesn't boast your argument. Insulting those who are against your suggestion/argument doesn't make you look any better.

Third, Graal Classic is not all about sparring. It never has been all about sparring. While most veterans do have a point that its supposed to be a video game (like LOZ) from the very start, the majority of the server pretty much made Graal Classic more of a social experience game.

Hell, Rufus tried to make it more of a video game by making Graal city a PK zone. But apparently, since every whiny player who rates GP's and pretends to be adopted babies complained about it, they put it back to a non PK zone because they'll never listen to the gamer's side... Only to the side that makes them the most money out of the bunch.

Imma end off my talk to you with the words of RYAN 12312 himself (not to piss you off but in honest word):

twilit..... Just calm the f**k down.

Posted by Tyler

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...1&postcount=39

Handicapping!? Really!? You're considering Handicapping as a strong issue between PC and iPhone players?

The only problem with iPhone and PC is just that the arrow keys are smoother.. Still, they play in the same experience. Also, you can easily switch direction of movement by sliding your finger across the D-Pad on the iPhone/iPad.. So its relatively equal in some point

Also, Screen size isn't that too big to call it a serious issue.
This is basically similar to the guy that wanted FB spar players to be in iPhone GST tournaments because the vice versa of that got accepted.  

Posted by twilit

About 80% of all of graal would argue against this :o the other 20% are PCers in denial.

because the majority of Graal plays on iPhone? Of course they are gonna complain about pc, they need an excuse for losing. In all honesty if the server was released on pc first ppl might have complained about iPhone clients. The reason pc sparrers usually do so well is because a lot of them come from having 10 years of experience on pc graal. you actually move slower on the pc client and it lags more... and the touch screen is far more responsive than a keyboard because of hardware reasons.