Goten you can't say "omg all inactive classic guilds deserved to be recognized". That is a complete disregard for people's feelings. Imaging you had spent months or years on fb server getting hours then someone says "nope sorry you are not important enough so you don't get to stay". You would feel pretty upset. Just deal with the fact that no amount of complaining, moaning or whining is going to change what has happened. They have to consider everyones feelings and in the long run everyone will die down about this where as the fb guys would be sore for ages. Also I don't understand why u are angry, eventually the leaderboard was gonna get like this merge or no merge. What would you have done then? Moaned about them? The point is you have a very narrow minded view and refuse to even think about others feelings.  

Posted by Skill

At night on the iPhone server I see 2-4 at most towers, and on FB it has pretty much always been at 4-6 at a tower whenever I look.


Explain to me how it is fair that admins can recruit 20 people to their guild pretty much instantly because everyone wants to join them, then tell them to take a tower and they pretty much do it with little or no action on the admin's part. Magic and Cruxis pretty much worked this way, and they kicked offlines. No effort at all on the leaders part.


Also establishing a guild on FB is incredibly difficult because there is almost no one to recruit, therefore just as hard as iPhone.

Point is there are lots of things unfair within the scores system, and everyone is just going right at the fb server people.

Hey man I agree that admin guilds had advantages but you really think that'll be changed? And no man im referring to the guilds on the leaderboard. Tandoku, Trill, AF1 and much more. They just got there friends and took easy towers. And no there is not 4-6 I was on fb last few days before it was merged. Me and Ronnie would take sardon with a guild he had many times. In the morning we'd find towers with 0. That being said pretty much anyone could get hours on fb with a guild even if there a 1 man team.

Posted by Madhog

Goten you can't say "omg all inactive classic guilds deserved to be recognized". That is a complete disregard for people's feelings. Imaging you had spent months or years on fb server getting hours then someone says "nope sorry you are not important enough so you don't get to stay". You would feel pretty upset. Just deal with the fact that no amount of complaining, moaning or whining is going to change what has happened. They have to consider everyones feelings and in the long run everyone will die down about this where as the fb guys would be sore for ages. Also I don't understand why u are angry, eventually the leaderboard was gonna get like this merge or no merge. What would you have done then? Moaned about them? The point is you have a very narrow minded view and refuse to even think about others feelings.

No you clearly don't understand. All fb guilds stopped at 1k why? They want the hat they got it... So they don't need to just be dead waste of spaces on our leaderboard. And no fb guilds had long runs fb hasn't been around as long as everyone makes it seem... You can get 1k on iphone as fast as 5k on fb.  

But Goten you are wrong our guild Fatal didn't so don't make broad statements when you clearly don't know what you are talking about. And as I said in my previous points, which you ignored, think how they would feel. To be honest I don't even think you read my post in it's entirety.  

New Solution I thought of: Make a house like people have mentioned with the fb scores of all fb guilds with at least 50 hours. This way they'll have there own area to be viewed and won't be combined with a leaderboard that required more work to get on. Now all these fb guilds in the memorial would have to start from 0 on iphone. But to be fair to the fb guilds that "worked hard" and never made it to 1k there could be something done. Example: Say a fb guild had 600 hrs if they get 400 hrs of fort time on iphone server they'd be eligable for the guild hat. Also for guilds that had hours combined from both servers the fb hours would be put in this building and say they got 4k and had 1k on fb they'd be eligable for a hat. It's just that mixing two different servers leaderboards when the difficulty level is so uncomparable isn't fair. This idea would be fair because fb guilds would get there own building to be remembered, and would still have the chance to get the guild hats without restarting. Iphone tower guilds would be happy with this I would imagine.  

This could work but to be honest there is no point. When the leaderboards end up like this in a few years people will be angry then, so this is only a temporary solution. I suggest just leaving it for x amount of time, and if people are still angry then something may be done. Just give it a chance you are all looking at a one sided view of things  

unfortunatly there are no records since staff where careless, they dont know who had how much and what was what, the only way to solve it is to delete the hours of those guilds, we dont have any choice, honestly when you knew that it was easier on the fb server to take towers you shouldnt have done it, you should have known hours on the fb server are no where near as hard as on the iphone server, we know that for a fact, just look at the difference,

im in neither a tower guild on iphone nor a tower guild on facebook, i understand on facebook it still took effort,but when it comes down to it there is only two choices thanks to someone not being thoughtful and not having any of this stuff recorded, its extremely unfair, getting hours on facebook nearing made it so the getting guild hat per 1000 hours was removed, when it was known the server was going the staff re added the guild hats thing.

you knew it was easier, you knew it was unfair, you did it anyway, so really, you brought this on yourself.  

No we didn't how were we to know there would be a merge. We aren't ****ing physic. We took forts on fb Originally for a break from classic but eneded up getting 1k. And why do you even care if you aren't in a tower guild? And you seem to think we all did this with some kind of malicious intent of getting easy hours for classic server. We knew nothing more than you all did, and any hours we gained were because of another reason.  

lots of players said it was unfair, said that the towers were easier, im not a big tower taker but even to me just by looking at the statistics its obvious its easier, of course you knew this too, many guilds were made in facebook just to abuse this fact,  

FB fort hours are a whole lot easier than iphone, no doubt, dont argue. but no one here is saying that those FB guilds shouldnt be recognized. FB guilds need to be recognized, but on a different board. i wouldnt mind having a dead scoreboard for hours that were on fb. the memorial idea goten suggested sounded weird to me but if its acceptable, ok. About the whole "no backup data" issue, well theres plenty of people who can remember for those careless admins. yes this will involve a large part of the integrity-system, which probably wont work well, but ppl DO remember these things.  

But you are missing the point! The leaderboard will end up like this no matter what. I believe it's the fact that they got their hours easier that is what is making people angry. If the leaderboard was filled with dead guilds that got their hours on Classic I doubt many would complain. It's just the fact that they are from Facebook.  

Posted by Madhog

No we didn't how were we to know there would be a merge. We aren't ****ing physic. We took forts on fb Originally for a break from classic but eneded up getting 1k. And why do you even care if you aren't in a tower guild? And you seem to think we all did this with some kind of malicious intent of getting easy hours for classic server. We knew nothing more than you all did, and any hours we gained were because of another reason.

no, no one anticipated this. But now thats its happened, all the FB guild are saying "Yoohoo! our ez guild hours are now on iphones scoreboards so it looks like we worked hard when we rly didnt!" This is where "malicious intent" comes in. if you had no "malicious intent", none of you would mind that FB hours are separated from iphones.

Posted by Madhog

But you are missing the point!

We arent missing the point. Theres no point to miss. You are the one missing the point by completely ignoring our side of the argument. The other side of the argument is flat.  

Nobody is saying this. And if you care so much about getting rid of these guilds get tower hours for all your guilds and push them out of the leaderboards. You are clearly just annoyed because these guilds are on the scroeboard and you feel they don't deserve it. Anyway lots of people complaining here have dead guilds that did it for the hat so they can stfu.  

Posted by GotenGraal

No, you know absolutely nothing. What is the point of having about 15 DEAD guilds on leaderboard. The fb guilds are all dying already I haven't seen any with a tower besides exciled elements with mod 1 time... And before you argue that there are iphone guilds that are dead too, doesn't matter being that they worked MUCH harder and deserve to be recognized.

all the ¨top¨ guilds wanted a challenge right?now shut up and try surpassing them?  

Posted by Remorse

all the ¨top¨ guilds wanted a challenge right?now shut up and try surpassing them?

This^
Most of you are saying how much harder it is on classic. Well clearly you all have the skills to pass them so go do it. If you all really cared this is what you would do instead of asking them to be removed so you can get your coveted spots on the leaderboard back. Go on. If you are all so great overtake these noob guilds. Cause the way I see it they have done more than all of you combined. Get all your dead guilds back together and push them out of the leaderboards. But oh wait that won't happen. Because your guilds are dead. Why? Cause they did it for the hat just like the Facebook guilds. You all sound like nothing more than crying three year olds, that can't do anything for themselves.

Posted by twilit

no, no one anticipated this. But now thats its happened, all the FB guild are saying "Yoohoo! our ez guild hours are now on iphones scoreboards so it looks like we worked hard when we rly didnt!" This is where "malicious intent" comes in. if you had no "malicious intent", none of you would mind that FB hours are separated from iphones.



We arent missing the point. Theres no point to miss. You are the one missing the point by completely ignoring our side of the argument. The other side of the argument is flat.

This just proves my point of you being narrow minded so thanks for that  

Posted by Remorse

all the ¨top¨ guilds wanted a challenge right?now shut up and try surpassing them?

Wtf are you talking about? Shut up and stay on topic lol. The challenge was getting those spots on the leaderboard. Fb guilds dont deserve to be there.