Posted by Winter

http://www.graalonline.com/docs/conduct

It is posted on the game's official site, and it stands for any platform/server. I think the only thing that needs to be stated specifically on the iPhone server is that the rules are strongly encouraged to be read prior to playing the game. Rewriting this entire document in-game would be a huge waste of time.

Then again, I'm not sure how effective it might be, knowing the general behavior of people when it comes to these kinds of things..

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it needs to be in game and not as vague as that, it needs to have the general punishments for each on first offense, second offense, multiple offenses,

it needs to be tailored to the server. only then is it fair  

Posted by Higbey

it needs to be in game and not as vague as that, it needs to have the general punishments for each on first offense, second offense, multiple offenses,

it needs to be tailored to the server. only then is it fair

You use the word general as if you cover every possibility.

Generally, punishments for each offense is up to the staff distributing the consequence, the severity of the offense(s), and/or the specific server the infraction has occurred on. The website I posted is the Official Graal Rules of Conduct, and there is no other way to "generally" list them. It tells you pretty straight up what you should and shouldn't do as a player. I'm pretty sure no other server has all their rules and regulations posted in-game. In fact, the App Store specifically lists www.graalonline.com as the company website. If one plans to read the rules and regulations, the first place he or she should check (regarding any company) is the company website. The number and severity of offenses differs so much that I believe it is impossible to accurately list each and every punishment for each and every infraction possible to commit. "Easier said than done..."

You suggest that the system should be fair. My suggestion was to fairly warn players of the existence of rules and regulations for the game, regardless of the server. Here's the fact: You cannot make someone read something. I admit I have never gone to the US government website and read each and every law, and I don't think the solution to possible punishment is to post laws all around my house to make sure I am warned. If I want to see the rules, I will go to the source of them myself. That's just the way things are, and the way people behave.

Posted by Agony

People from an iPhone server definitely aren't going to go to the Graal TOS.

I did. I'm sure if anyone was curious about the actual rules and regulations of the game itself, he or she would go there too. You made a general statement with good intentions, and I understand your reasoning, but it is not impossible.

EDIT:

Posted by http://www.graalonline.com/docs/conduct?page=6#violation

Policy Violations
Anyone found to be in violation of the policies described in this document, at the sole discretion of GraalOnline , will be subject to the following:

First violation: The user will receive a warning describing the breach of policy GraalOnline believes they have committed, either onscreen or via Email.
Second violation: If possible, the player will be temporarily locked out of the area of gameplay related to the abuse. For example, if a player is using abusive language to others in the Forum, s/he will be prevented from using the forum. If a player is disruptive in events, s/he will be prevented from competing in events.
Third violation: The user will be locked out of GraalOnline for a period of up to one month, and will be notified via Email.
Fourth violation: The user will be locked out of GraalOnline permanently without refund.


In certain circumstances, such as extremely abusive behavior, a user may be locked out without warning or notice of any kind. However, GraalOnline will follow up with an Email explaining why this step was taken.

Higbey, have you read the Graal rules and regulations?  

Posted by Winter

You use the word general as if you cover every possibility.
I did. I'm sure if anyone was curious about the actual rules and regulations of the game itself, he or she would go there too. You made a general statement with good intentions, and I understand your reasoning, but it is not impossible.

They could just give a link to the rules in the game? Easier than having players confused about where the rules are located. I'm going to be honest that I didn't read it all, but it seems to cover the general expectations of the game.  

that tos is for pc graal, its not formulated for iclassic or iera, some of it is not valid, and it needs to be IN GAME. its the only way. its easy and no reason not to, dont be stubborn, no need to be lazy and just tell players to go to some old ToS that isnt specifically made for the server and some of it will just confuse players that dont play pc.
a link isnt enough. you need to make it so a player can go and see what is okay and what isnt, the tos has nothing on guilds or rules with them, nothing on language, nothing on pking (yes ive met players that thought gralat stealing and pking where against the rules)

why would doing this be bad? this would just make it so players know what crosses the line and what doesnt.  

Posted by Higbey

that tos is for pc graal, its not formulated for iclassic or iera, some of it is not valid, and it needs to be IN GAME. its the only way. its easy and no reason not to, dont be stubborn, no need to be lazy and just tell players to go to some old ToS that isnt specifically made for the server and some of it will just confuse players that dont play pc.
a link isnt enough. you need to make it so a player can go and see what is okay and what isnt, the tos has nothing on guilds or rules with them, nothing on language, nothing on pking (yes ive met players that thought gralat stealing and pking where against the rules)

why would doing this be bad? this would just make it so players know what crosses the line and what doesnt.

True, I would rather have a more updated rules guide dedicated to the actual server than a dinosaur one made for the PC servers. I change my last statement. It's not difficult to add a rules list and divide them into categories such as bugs, transfers, glitchers, etc.  

Posted by Higbey

that tos is for pc graal, its not formulated for iclassic or iera, some of it is not valid, and it needs to be IN GAME. its the only way. its easy and no reason not to, dont be stubborn, no need to be lazy and just tell players to go to some old ToS that isnt specifically made for the server and some of it will just confuse players that dont play pc.
a link isnt enough. you need to make it so a player can go and see what is okay and what isnt, the tos has nothing on guilds or rules with them, nothing on language, nothing on pking (yes ive met players that thought gralat stealing and pking where against the rules)

why would doing this be bad? this would just make it so players know what crosses the line and what doesnt.

Nowhere did I say it was bad, I am actually indifferent about the idea. However, I disagree with the original thread name, which suggests that the server "needs every rule published." It seems ridiculously extensive and time consuming. However, you mention that the rules and regulations of Graalonline.com are "only for pc?" I would like for you to quote the document I posted on that statement. Seeing as all servers are a part of Graalonline.com, and you can find a link to this server from the HOME PAGE of the site, I believe it applies.

Please do not call me lazy or stubborn for disagreeing with a script hundreds of lines long. If you think someone is going to spend all day reading the entire thing through on Graal, be my guest. Go have it added. I am suggesting a much simpler route, and one that wouldn't add an extra boost of latency on the level because of one extraordinarily long script chain.

Posted by Tyler

They could just give a link to the rules in the game? Easier than having players confused about where the rules are located. I'm going to be honest that I didn't read it all, but it seems to cover the general expectations of the game.

This was actually an excellent idea I was hinting at, but never came out and said it. There are already URLs posted on NPCs around the server with staff contacts, emails, support and poll information, etc. A URL to point players towards the rules and regulations would work great in my opinion.

Perhaps I am not understanding your proposal correctly. Regardless, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. What type of in-game list are you expecting to be added so players can read the company code of conduct? It really does seem like you want to fit 6 internet pages of information on one sign for players to read.  

Posted by Winter

I did. I'm sure if anyone was curious about the actual rules and regulations of the game itself, he or she would go there too. You made a general statement with good intentions, and I understand your reasoning, but it is not impossible.

That's true, and I have myself, but if you take into account the average roleplayer/rate my guild pic players, they probably don't care enough to look at the TOS. Surely the more mature, serious players will (and have), but the people that actually do come in conflict with the TOS probably don't care too much about it.  

Posted by Agony

more mature, serious players

Well, that makes all the difference, right? You can't force somebody to read it. ;)  

Maybe we should freeze everyone, right now on the game, and have the TOS pop up, and it won't go away until the players pass a quiz on it.

Anyone?  

Posted by Agony

Maybe we should freeze everyone, right now on the game, and have the TOS pop up, and it won't go away until the players pass a quiz on it.

Anyone?

Good idea.  

I know, I should be hired as iClassic's new Creative Director.  

Posted by Agony

Maybe we should freeze everyone, right now on the game, and have the TOS pop up, and it won't go away until the players pass a quiz on it.

Anyone?

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Perhaps I the in game menu then? Text seems no problem there, maybe in the help screen?  

Posted by Higbey

Perhaps I the in game menu then? Text seems no problem there, maybe in the help screen?

How about the Graal Screen? As far as I can remember there is no briefing on general rules when you first start the game, or even some kind of sighn in balamb.  

Posted by Agony

Maybe we should freeze everyone, right now on the game, and have the TOS pop up, and it won't go away until the players pass a quiz on it.

Anyone?

Actually that idea isn't half bad...