Posted by Frederick

They still won't make money if A and B, gets a trash pick, pick some trash, sell them, buy shovel, shovel for their guns.

Gralats won't go to like snk profile or something? They just get trashed.

She's not talking about jobs she's talking about gralat packs because those are the quickest way to get the guns, but if trading were added then no one would need gralat packs or jobs because you could trade your guns away for a higher price gun.  

why wouldnt a trading system happen? its reasonable.  

How many times does this idea need to be brought up? There is already so many threads about this  

Posted by BLiZzArD

How many times does this idea need to be brought up? There is already so many threads about this

Because ppl think if they spam it all over forums they magically get it  

Posted by Street

Hmm, I don't want to go into an economics lecture, but you are wrong on both statements.

No rational player would buy a BAR for over 200k, because they could get it at the store at anytime for 200k.

You can't make a profit when no one will buy your gun for more than 200,000.

There will be players who would sell for less than 200k. These players are the ones who don't want the BAR anymore and would rather have/need the cash for a new gun or whatever reason.

The issue around a no trade system in the game is not because we can't develop a trade system, or the GUI for a trade system... it is because the developers don't want a free economy where players can capitalize in certain assets, whether it's gun or money. In an open market, the demand of the guns are determined by the supply of the guns (supply is infinite in our current system). Prices are set by the developers in our current system. If we allowed trading of guns, in the long run the prices of guns would greatly decline way below the shop prices. Which implies no one will buy from the shops, which implies that the money is only circulated between the players.

This is an issue for any game industry. If money circulates only between players, and players are constantly making money via shells/gralat packs, pretty soon we would have TONS of money supply in the economy. There are a few issues associated with this. If players can buy the gun cheaper off another player, they would not buy from the shop. This means the money spent on the gun REMAINS in the economy. In our current system where the player is forced to buy from the shop, the money DISAPPEARS when it is spent on shop items. This results in reducing money supply, thus increasing demand for money. Increased demand for money means players buy gralat packs, which means revenue for game developers.

Basically, less guns being bought from shops = less revenue for game developers. How to prevent that? Not allowing trades. By not allowing trades, players are FORCED to buy their guns from the shops. Again, when they do this, money is taken out of the economy since it just goes to the game server (rather than to another player). When the player wants another gun, he can't simply sell his old gun to gain money and buy another gun, he has to get money buy either working (shells etC), or buying gralat packs.

Why not just limit the supply of guns? ie have a set amount of guns in the economy? You'll run into problems with item hoarding, and the difficulty for new players to obtain new items. Difficulty for new players to compete with the current players, will drive playercount down, which results in a decline of revenue for developers. If you ever have the chance to check out PC Graal Kingdoms, is is a GREAT example in a failed economy. That game's main currency is not even used as the primary currency. It is not a coincidence...over the past decade, PC Era has had numerous server resets (due to inflation) and an uncontrollable economy. Graal Kingdom suffers from an overly inflated economy and item hoarding (nearly impossible for new players to get their hands on decent items, which drives them to stop playing).

 

Exactly. Scamming is ignorant and ****ed up. I dont like the idea of children thinking its ok to steal others peoples stuff. xD  

some items like bar and lightsaber shouldnt be allowed to be traded, they are to valuable and lots of nubs buy gralat packs and get the bar then o whup i got my bar scammed  

if they take money for trading system  

the problem is when people thinnk of tradin system they think of dropping guns what most of us want is a way to trade our rares and droppable swords without getting scammed i have a solution but im not posting  

Snk has pushed for a trading system. It is ultimately up to stephan and unix though. They do not read these forums and Snk has seen this topic many times and will bring it up with them. I'd appreciate if someone didn't make a new thread about this next week as it is redundant and old.  

Another thread about trading? No trading system should be added. Not for guns, rares, or anything.  

you wont have a damned economy if you dont use this idea:/  

There should be a trading system for items that are dropable. It won't happen though, as we all know...  

Posted by Hearts Graal

Let's look at an example.
A wants to have a bar but he has a shipka.
B wants to have a shipka but he has a bar.
If there is no trading system, A has to buy a bar and B has to buy a shipka since they want the guns, a total of 320,000 gralats would be spent and profited by Era.
However, if there is a trading system, A can trade his shipka to B for a bar. They will both get what they want without spending any extra gralats, 0 gralat is spend, no profit is earned by Era.
Hence this is bad for the economy, meaning Era's (Eurocentre) profitability.

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Posted by Higbey

unixmad and stefan want money, it doesnt matter, the second it affects profit those greedy assholes wont allow it, they are crap at running this game

 

u should trade gangs, gralats, guns, items, ec, hats, bodies, heads, furniture, character slots, gang houses, m4 attachment, even kills!