Posted by Colin

Not really catching the sarcasm here, multiple sparrers have offered to make hats and suggested things like user-submitted hats, the graphics team doesn't need to 'tell them' because some of them have already stated they are willing to do it.

Don't worry the person that was directed too will.

Posted by Colin

Well they should, it only makes sense. Also GST takes more skill than all of those so wouldn't really compare the two because towering and bug catching is open to a larger base than obtaining GST hats is.

Skill? How hard is it to stay on one side and wait for the other team to attack. That doesn't require skill only the right connection. Everyone uses the same strategy and weirdly enough the people with the worse connections usually win.

And it doesn't make sense. My opinion should be as important as anyone with a "1%" chance of winning. I shouldn't have to be a tryhard and look for the team that gave me the best chance to win, so that my opinion can count.  

Hm, I actually see your point now. It'd actually be a terrible idea to take constructive criticism or suggestions from people who have proven consistency in winning the GST in the past.

*Begins to drool while slamming face against desk until eyes begin to fall out of head*  

while we do agree to an extent the quality has diminished, there are reasons for it

- New staff members come and go and one of the first jobs newer members normally do is the GST hats, so there's a conflict on styles, what a hat should be etc.
- Difficult to please. While we get how nice the hats were in the past, most of them were from PC in a time where everyone was young in the game and almost naive. It's similar to how people complain about 2009 compared to now, though you might have enjoyed it back then technically it wasn't that much better.
- We're not going back to old ideas. Sure everyone loves those wings hats but how many of those are in the game now? We would rather try and make something different (even though the response to that is negative)

Personally, i'd rather just have 1 person in charge of making the hats (gl finding someone for that) or no hats at all. As great as user submitted content sounds it's hard going through all the submissions, end up having to change the hat to meet standards, inevitable conflict/arguments about why those were chosen or why they look different, that we'd rather just do it ourselves.

By all means though, if you know someone who really wants to make the hats, tell them to apply. I don't see why people don't like the idea of working for the server, prob some pride issue, but if you really want your hats on there, you know where the app is lol  

Posted by GOAT

That's like saying tower people should have more say

stopped reading here. Clearly doesn't know that when you reach 1k hours towering you get to pick your very own hat. It's also important to mention that having a say in the hats being offered does not give you a competitive advantage over anyone else. Everyone still has "an equal chance of winning" even though they really don't.

0/10

Posted by Admiral

while we do agree to an extent the quality has diminished, there are reasons for it

- New staff members come and go and one of the first jobs newer members normally do is the GST hats, so there's a conflict on styles, what a hat should be etc.

New staff members really shouldn't be in charge of that.. Maybe that's why they're always so awful. Probably would be better to incite some competition between staff members, give them a reason to make really nice original hats. GST is a pretty big deal as far as events go on iClassic, I would think people higher up on the totem pole are in charge of the prizes being offered.

Posted by Admiral

- Difficult to please. While we get how nice the hats were in the past, most of them were from PC in a time where everyone was young in the game and almost naive. It's similar to how people complain about 2009 compared to now, though you might have enjoyed it back then technically it wasn't that much better.

Yeah, man I can tell you now that the overwhelming majority of graalians aren't pleased. Either way, it's better to please 35% of the population rather than 2% that probably don't even make it past the first round.

Posted by Admiral

- We're not going back to old ideas. Sure everyone loves those wings hats but how many of those are in the game now? We would rather try and make something different (even though the response to that is negative)

We've decisively said helmets and crowns are pretty bad as a whole, so I think it's probably time to try something other than that, too.

Posted by Admiral

Personally, i'd rather just have 1 person in charge of making the hats

I nominate Yami.  

Posted by Admiral

while we do agree to an extent the quality has diminished, there are reasons for it

- New staff members come and go and one of the first jobs newer members normally do is the GST hats, so there's a conflict on styles, what a hat should be etc.
- Difficult to please. While we get how nice the hats were in the past, most of them were from PC in a time where everyone was young in the game and almost naive. It's similar to how people complain about 2009 compared to now, though you might have enjoyed it back then technically it wasn't that much better.
- We're not going back to old ideas. Sure everyone loves those wings hats but how many of those are in the game now? We would rather try and make something different (even though the response to that is negative)

Personally, i'd rather just have 1 person in charge of making the hats (gl finding someone for that) or no hats at all. As great as user submitted content sounds it's hard going through all the submissions, end up having to change the hat to meet standards, inevitable conflict/arguments about why those were chosen or why they look different, that we'd rather just do it ourselves.

By all means though, if you know someone who really wants to make the hats, tell them to apply. I don't see why people don't like the idea of working for the server, prob some pride issue, but if you really want your hats on there, you know where the app is lol

Well, I know some people who work on the hats ask peers for possible ideas that they have. This happened in public chat, so really anyone could have given input. I don't think that's a terrible thing to do at all. It ended up inspiring them to roll with a certain idea. I think getting input from players is essential to appease the community, or at least head down that road. Regardless of what happens, SOME input needs to be taken in from the community; there needs to be some kind of communication. I understand a lot of the reasons you listed, but I think even if these staff members made an effort to reach out and meet the spar community half way then a lot of progress will be made in this matter.  

I think you should do wings because all the other recent gst hats have been complete trash  

Posted by Thallen

Hm, I actually see your point now. It'd actually be a terrible idea to take constructive criticism or suggestions from people who have proven consistency in winning the GST in the past.

*Begins to drool while slamming face against desk until eyes begin to fall out of head*

You act as if past winners are more important than anybody else? Everyone still has an equal chance, so everyone should have an equal say in what the hats look like.

This is like saying I have won the egg hunt twice, so I should get to decide how the trophy looks next year because I have a higher chance of winning than everyone else.  

Posted by Craftz1

Everyone still has an equal chance

no
they
do
not  

Posted by Craftz1

You act as if past winners are more important than anybody else? Everyone still has an equal chance, so everyone should have an equal say in what the hats look like.

This is like saying I have won the egg hunt twice, so I should get to decide how the trophy looks next year because I have a higher chance of winning than everyone else.

You can place bets on (Gummy Bear Warriors) winning GST for the next 10,000 times, and you will never win any of those bets.  

Posted by David

no
they
do
not

Why not?  

Posted by Craftz1

Why not?

There have been 17 Mixed GSTs that I know of (15 recorded in the MoD library, 2 unrecorded). Of those 17, these guilds have won:

1. US
2. Demigod (essentially US)
3. Mother
4. Deity
5. Northern Sign
6. Alumni

6 guilds have won out of the 544 (that's 17 * 32, Craftz!) Mixed GST entrants. 3 of those guilds have won 14 of the the 17. 2 of those guilds have won 12 of the 17.
Just 2 guilds have won 12 out of 17 Mixed GSTs.

Even bolded the important parts for you, there you go!  

Posted by Fulgore

You can place bets on (Gummy Bear Warriors) winning GST for the next 10,000 times, and you will never win any of those bets.

The odds of them winning are exactly the same as every other guild.

Posted by Thallen

There have been 17 Mixed GSTs that I know of (15 recorded in the MoD library, 2 unrecorded). Of those 17, these guilds have won:

1. US
2. Demigod (essentially US)
3. Mother
4. Deity
5. Northern Sign
6. Alumni

6 guilds have won out of the 544 (that's 17 * 32, Craftz!) Mixed GST entrants. 3 of those guilds have won 14 of the the 17.
Just 3 guilds have won 14 out of 17 Mixed GSTs.

Even bolded the important parts for you, there you go!

Every guild still has a 1/32 chance of winning.  

Posted by Craftz1

The odds of them winning are exactly the same as every other guild.

Then I find it odd why those odds never seem to work for those guilds but always turn in favor of a select few. Very coincidental....

You're trying to live in this land of "technically" where you bring in statistics and whatnot, which is all well and good if you're trying to jokingly correct someone for a quick laugh, but this simply doesn't work in the real world.

Works the same for other games. In Smash Bros. for example, a tournament could have 700 entrants, all with an equal chance of winning. Yet the 5 Gods of Smash always seem to take the top spots, and the same people always win the tournaments. If time is an issue to qualify your statistic, Melee has been around for more than a decade, and this has always been the case.

You don't look past the numbers, which is a big problem when you're trying to assess this in practical terms. Yes, technically everyone has an even chance, but in reality, there are very few guilds who are going to be considered to win it. Welcome to the real world.  

Posted by Craftz1

The odds of them winning are exactly the same as every other guild.



Every guild still has a 1/32 chance of winning.

http://www.horseracing-and-bettingsy...ding-odds.html

They are given an equal opportunity to win, but that does not mean the all have equal odds. A guild that is much more skilled than the other guilds means they will have better odds of winning. These are why if you go to bet on say... horse racing, betting on the horse that has a much higher record of winning will give very little returns.  

Cute GST hats all the wayyyyyyy