im saying for my 2nd idea you can only join one guild. but if an allied guild recruits you , you can join allied guilds too.  

Posted by Rufus

I don't believe that this kind of 'forced loyalty' would be well received. However, there are many ways to encourage guild loyalty. One example of something I intend to do is change guild hats, where they are added to the guild rather than the player. They would only appear in your inventory when you wear the tag. I think this is the kind of thing you should be aiming for in your suggestions.

What if a guy who was loyal to the bone for the whole 1000 hours it took to get a hat, was kicked? No more hat for him. That would be BS in my opinion and for that reason I don't support that idea.  

Sweet  

Posted by qes

im saying for my 2nd idea you can only join one guild. but if an allied guild recruits you , you can join allied guilds too.

No. This limits you so immensely, this idea of keeping us all limited to one guild is absolutely crazy.  

Posted by iHot

What if a guy who was loyal to the bone for the whole 1000 hours it took to get a hat, was kicked? No more hat for him. That would be BS in my opinion and for that reason I don't support that idea.

A guild hat is a guild hat. The purpose of being in a guild is not to produce a hat that you can wear. If someone is loyal for 1000 hours and gets removed from a guild then there are more inherent issues at play.  

Posted by iHot

No. This limits you so immensely, this idea of keeping us all limited to one guild is absolutely crazy.

But you can leave.  

Posted by iHot

What if a guy who was loyal to the bone for the whole 1000 hours it took to get a hat, was kicked? No more hat for him. That would be BS in my opinion and for that reason I don't support that idea.

That probably wouldn't happen so much unless the leader was a real jerkoff. What that idea would mainly due is stop noobcruiting because it would make less people want to join or help knowing the risk that they would most likely get kicked whenever they went off tag or offline. Tower taking would be more legitimate that way.  

Posted by Rufus

A guild hat is a guild hat. The purpose of being in a guild is not to produce a hat that you can wear. If someone is loyal for 1000 hours and gets removed from a guild then there are more inherent issues at play.

Well that true most of the guild leader would just kick you even though you are loyal and I know a person who keep asking to join back the guild and keep getting kick just because he log off.

Posted by qes

You may not agree with some of my ideas but if this is how guilds worked i think graal would be better and more competitive.

1. Loyalty
2. New guild events
3. Restrictions on making guilds
4. Seasonal tournies and seasonal reseting
5. player limit.

Loyalty
I am in 10 guilds. One, i am actually loyal to, ruthless. I think everybody should have to choose one guild to be in, and once you join a guild you can not join another guild untill you leave your orginal guild. So now tower guilds and spar guilds would actually have compition.
I cannot name every person in (Obsidian) or any tower guilf because there are too many temps, with this update it would be harder to find temps and guilds would actually need skilled loyal active players for towers.
New guild events
-Guild spar
-Towers
-CTF
-king of the hill
-tag team spar
-pk total
-spar total
CTF would be a 4vs4 guild vs guild ctf match winner gets a better rating.
King of the hill would be a new areana where guilds meet to play a 6vs6 king of the hill, whoever owns the hill for the most time after 2 minutes wins and their king of the hill rating will go up.
tag team spar- read my tag team spar forum
pk total- total number of pks each guild member has gotten while on the guild tag
spar total- same thing with 1vs1 spars
seasonal reseting and rating
The guild members with the best ratings in the leaderboards will gain 10,000 gralats per month if they are #1. 5,000 if #2 and 2,000 for #3
and the ratings per catagory will be reset seasonally, even the tower times.
Making guilds
in order to make a guild you need 10 people to agree to be in it.
So when you click make guild it will pop up as, add 10 friends and 10 friends will get a message would you like to pay 500 gralats to help make (Ruthless) you have been chosen by Qes to be a founder of Ruthless. the guild wont be added untill 10 people accept to being loyal.
Player limit
if this stops noob recruiting and sub guilds than the max of players should become 30

also i forgot to add that GST will excist, CTFT capture the flag tourny will excist seasonally and so would Tag team spar 2vs2 monthly







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well if you were only allowed to be in one guild that would mean you lead a guild or join a guild. and if it is harder to make a guild (10 people required who pay 500 to show their loyalty) than there would be more people joining guilds than making one. So tower guilds would be run by popular pkers who would recruit the most active pkers. than some guilds can be created by people who dont spar or do towers and they would recruit people who dont spar or do towers. than a well known or a good leader that spars can make a guild and recruit his good friends that also spar.
So compition for spar guids would be more legit
Loyalty would be real for tower guilds too.
And for all of you gfx, admins or social people you can make a guild full of your friends and they cant leave tag unlesd they leave your guild so you'd actually bond and get to know your members. Temp guild spar tags wouldnt excist so guilds cant 2vs5 unless they are fine with ruining score. boosting in guild spar would decrease. Noob recruiting tower guilds would decrease.
Allies would be allies.
Tower guilds can use the ally option so that the most active pkers get a main tag, and than after that the less active guild members would join an allied guild, like Obsidian II.
But they would stay loyal to obsidian because it would no longer be a race to 1k hours to get a hat it would be a race to #1 on the seasonal leaderboards so you can get a hat or custom gfx of anything every season if you get 1st 2nd or 3rd in seasonal leaderboards.


OR MY 2ND IDEA
You can not multi guild you are allowed one guild.
But if you are in a guild with allies you can be in both the guild you were orginally in and all of the allied guilds.
This would allow towered to recruit temporary helpers but only if they are in an allied branch, this was used by Zanza when they had helsing as a tower guild.

I came up with this idea for Ventrue and Any tower guild.
It would still prevent multiguilding but allow allies to wear eachothers tags.
So Racil can be in Cotorie Ventrue and VV and have powers in all 3.
So azreal can still have powers in all Zanza branches
So Obsidian and other tower guilds can still recruit members from 'sub guilds' but you cant join any other guilds except for your guild and the allied guilds.

Unally
when you Unally a guild it would say "Would you like to leave Obsidian or Obsidian II to all the members who were orginally in both guilds

There is a problem though their is a problem with new player who just starting graal what are they going to do???  

i dont see any flaws in my guild update. but i see why pkers and Socializing people would dislike this so i will add a graal guild ideas 4.0 soon with ideas from me rufus and everybody elses input ive goten so far and ill keep editing it untill i find a fun new guild system that works for everybody.

For those of you who are fine with the orginal system it is probably becase you dont realize how boring graal gets after being in a guild full of noobs you dont even know. Im being honest i had the most fun in this game when i was a noob, because i enjoyed simple things in graal like pking and messaging now 3 years later all i do is pm spar and guild spar, so i would like to add more things to create compition.
I enjoy being in a loyalty guild because ive gotten to know my members like roxas guizmo voodoo pikahika ect ect so well... I know their spar styles where the live how old they are, they're personality ... all of these things you can gain without loyalty but together its like we are one big team win or lose.
So i understand now this forcing loyalty is a long shot because its not 'fair' to those who dont understand loyalty yet.
So my opinion mixe with the commentary i got will be coming soon in Guild ideas 4.0... for now please comment your ideas so i can steal them and give you credit  

Posted by qes

i dont see any flaws in my guild update. but i see why pkers and Socializing people would dislike this so i will add a graal guild ideas 4.0 soon with ideas from me rufus and everybody elses input ive goten so far and ill keep editing it untill i find a fun new guild system that works for everybody.

For those of you who are fine with the orginal system it is probably becase you dont realize how boring graal gets after being in a guild full of noobs you dont even know. Im being honest i had the most fun in this game when i was a noob, because i enjoyed simple things in graal like pking and messaging now 3 years later all i do is pm spar and guild spar, so i would like to add more things to create compition.
I enjoy being in a loyalty guild because ive gotten to know my members like roxas guizmo voodoo pikahika ect ect so well... I know their spar styles where the live how old they are, they're personality ... all of these things you can gain without loyalty but together its like we are one big team win or lose.
So i understand now this forcing loyalty is a long shot because its not 'fair' to those who dont understand loyalty yet.
So my opinion mixe with the commentary i got will be coming soon in Guild ideas 4.0... for now please comment your ideas so i can steal them and give you credit

I can see where you are getting at but some times it hard to understand even like now i still don't get what the point for in graal right now.  

Voodoo (Ruthless)
He will make you a guild pic for 150-300 gralats depending on what you ask for
just PM voodoo, name what you want, and he'll give you a price.


Legit?
Look at Ruthless' guild pic
Outrages Guild pic
and soon to come, Obsidians guild pic. Attachment 8968Attachment 8968  

Posted by Blueh

But the thing is you have to pay to be a part of a guild. What if a new player wanted to join/start a guild but he/she couldn't because of money issues? Bottom line is it isn't fair because you're paying for a guild you're not even leading.

Also, the whole ally thing for your second idea confuses me. If you're limited to one guild with allies, how does someone have power over all of them unless they are recruited to each and every branch? I can understand where you're coming from, wanting to have everyone under one guild because it's convenient and it's easy to manage everyone, etc, etc. but people will be people and continue to meet more people. What if two people from two completely different guilds (not allied) wanted to be in a guild together but they couldn't because neither wanted to leave the one they were in?



I think you sir just found a possible solution to passively end hat chasing. But might've opened the door for power abusive leaders to kick all the newbies that helped in favor of their friends so that they may join just so they could wear the hat whenever they feel like it.

Keep it so that you give the hat to the people you choose.

ALSO... Have the option to "take away" the hat from those chasers!

And for those noob helpers..
Maybe something else??



YOU KNOW WHAT?! SCREW IT! TAKE AWAY THOSE STUPID HATS!! MOAR EVENTS!!!!!111111  

Posted by Rufus

A guild hat is a guild hat. The purpose of being in a guild is not to produce a hat that you can wear. If someone is loyal for 1000 hours and gets removed from a guild then there are more inherent issues at play.

Welcome to iClassics.  

Posted by qes

im saying for my 2nd idea you can only join one guild. but if an allied guild recruits you , you can join allied guilds too.

Yes, but that does nothing about subguilds. Under your system, you're saying you can join the main guild and allied guilds. Most, if not all, tower guilds use allies as subs. So people would still be using subs and mass noobcruiting everyone that doesn't have a guild tag yet.  

Posted by Rufus

One example of something I intend to do is change guild hats, where they are added to the guild rather than the player. They would only appear in your inventory when you wear the tag. I think this is the kind of thing you should be aiming for in your suggestions.

Most of the guilds that I have 1k hat for have kicked everyone and made it their personal guild, or a family guild where half the people in it didn't help tower to 1k.