Posted by Blueh

I also personally don't believe in the big bang theory either. I never fully grasped the concept of how a giant explosion could create something.

So because you haven't looked into something enough to understand the evidence behind it you can't take it as truth. If your going to try to disprove something at least have some basic knowledge of it. It's nothing like dropping a bomb on a printing press just to give you a start.  

Posted by Rexx

I like how your whole point of argument is that I havent researched anything, which I have. I'm sure if I scour the internet I'll find some crackpot that will say anything. Yes there was a giant flood, it was called all the ice melting after the Ice Age. I'm guessing Noah and his family built a huge boat and managed to get every animal in existence on it while the Earth was frozen over? So what if there was a giant flood? That means a talking snake must be real too? Floods are a natural occurrence.
I choose to lean more towards evolution because there is evidence and the fact that there is no scientific evidence that supports religion, I dont understand why thats hard for you to understand.

That's the thing though. There's devoted scientists for creationism and religion. To disregard their arguments and brush them off as "crackpots who will say anything" is biased towards what you want to believe. I literally found that website in 3 seconds and barely looked at any of it's content. There's plenty of websites for both evolution and creationism that seem really convincing.

I also never once said "Noah's flood" happened, it was an example for the fact that people can argue scientifically about religious stories.

Also, why does the "great flood of the world" have to have been caused by another thing that lacks substancial evidence?

This topic is interesting for a reason. I've researched evolution as well as other religions, and they all claim to know the big answer. It's also not "hard for me to understand". I haven't once shared my opinion in depth, therefore you can't really say I'm not understanding something. I'm just trying to make this thread more interesting, bias has always bothered me. I'm not religious, but I'm trying to open your eyes to the fact that there are debates about this for a reason. There are claimed "evidences" for religion.  

Posted by Imprint

So because you haven't looked into something enough to understand the evidence behind it you can't take it as truth. If your going to try to disprove something at least have some basic knowledge of it. It's nothing like dropping a bomb on a printing press just to give you a start.

That is completely not what I meant. I have looked into it, I just don't believe it happened using my own logic. Explosions destroy, not create is the point I'm trying to get across which is why I personally don't believe it. Yet, since there's always the possibility it could've happened there is no way to prove either wrong or right.

It doesn't matter how many lectures you sit at, how many books you read or movies you watch about all sorts of religions or science related things. You could extend your knowledge on every belief and theory to the peak. None of that matters, except for what you think matters. They all hold their own truths, which is why you have to decide which is the truest.






Except for the occult, harming goats for the devil or worshipping anything that has been branded "Evil" is probably not the best way to go.  

Posted by Yephenpeace

That's the thing though. There's devoted scientists for creationism and religion. To disregard their arguments and brush them off as "crackpots who will say anything" is biased towards what you want to believe. I literally found that website in 3 seconds and barely looked at any of it's content. There's plenty of websites for both evolution and creationism that seem really convincing.

I also never once said "Noah's flood" happened, it was an example for the fact that people can argue scientifically about religious stories.

Also, why does the "great flood of the world" have to have been caused by another thing that lacks substancial evidence?

This topic is interesting for a reason. I've researched evolution as well as other religions, and they all claim to know the big answer. It's also not "hard for me to understand". I haven't once shared my opinion in depth, therefore you can't really say I'm not understanding something. I'm just trying to make this thread more interesting, bias has always bothered me. I'm not religious, but I'm trying to open your eyes to the fact that there are debates about this for a reason. There are claimed "evidences" for religion.

Religious scientists believe the universe is only 6 thousand years old, I cannot take that seriously. I am telling you there is no scientific evidence that supports religion, or rather the fact that God is real.

Posted by Blueh

That is completely not what I meant. I have looked into it, I just don't believe it happened using my own logic. Explosions destroy, not create is the point I'm trying to get across which is why I personally don't believe it. Yet, since there's always the possibility it could've happened there is no way to prove either wrong or right.

It doesn't matter how many lectures you sit at, how many books you read or movies you watch about all sorts of religions or science related things. You could extend your knowledge on every belief and theory to the peak. None of that matters, except for what you think matters. They all hold their own truths, which is why you have to decide which is the truest.


Except for the occult, harming goats for the devil or worshipping anything that has been branded "Evil" is probably not the best way to go.

I don't see how worshiping the devil is any different than worshiping God.  

Posted by Rexx

Religious scientists believe the universe is only 6 thousand years old, I cannot take that seriously. I am telling you there is no scientific evidence that supports religion, or rather the fact that God is real.

Who's to say it isn't? What I don't understand is your reason for making this thread. You seem rather closed minded.

I'm not saying the world is 6000 years old, but you honestly just seem to think things are right simply because the public school system teaches it. The only thing different about a "religious scientist" and a "scientist" is their dedications and what they study. I'm trying to point out to you that there are "evidences" to back up some religious theologies. Are they necessarily right? no, but that's what this thread is for. To discuss things like this. You can't say a form of science if flawed simply because of what it's trying to prove.

On another note, there is absolutely no evidence of a God or higher power, but there also isn't any evidence that the big bang happened. Existence itself takes faith. The theory of evolution begins with matter and energy already existing. Where did existence itself come from? I think the reason so many religions exist today is because people are trying to come up with answers.

Keep in mind that I'm merely stating these things because that's what this thread is about. I literally don't claim to know where we came from, and I don't follow any organised religion. Your closed mindedness is kind of bothering me though.  

IVE FIGURED IT OUT, as to how ti prove god DOESNT EXIST, if god was an omnipotent/present force, which he supposedly is isnt he? That means there can be no opposition. God supposedly is according to the new testement, very benevolent. So that would mean that the devil couldnt or wouldnt exist and if he does it means god cannot exist? And if he did it would mean a contradiction of omnipotency.
So it either means
A.) god doesnt exist period
B.) he isnt as powerful as he supposedly is
C.) he doesnt care about humanity which is basically the same as not caring.  

Them Google skills.  

Posted by Yephenpeace

Who's to say it isn't? What I don't understand is your reason for making this thread. You seem rather closed minded.

I'm not saying the world is 6000 years old, but you honestly just seem to think things are right simply because the public school system teaches it. The only thing different about a "religious scientist" and a "scientist" is their dedications and what they study. I'm trying to point out to you that there are "evidences" to back up some religious theologies. Are they necessarily right? no, but that's what this thread is for. To discuss things like this. You can't say a form of science if flawed simply because of what it's trying to prove.

On another note, there is absolutely no evidence of a God or higher power, but there also isn't any evidence that the big bang happened. Existence itself takes faith. The theory of evolution begins with matter and energy already existing. Where did existence itself come from? I think the reason so many religions exist today is because people are trying to come up with answers.

Keep in mind that I'm merely stating these things because that's what this thread is about. I literally don't claim to know where we came from, and I don't follow any organised religion. Your closed mindedness is kind of bothering me though.

You simply do not get where I'm coming from. Religious scientists do not have any evidence the world is only 6 thousand years old. There is monumental evidence that, of course can only be denied by saying what you're saying, the the earth is at least 4 billion years old.
I am very open to any belief but why should I believe in something I know may not be true? The same could be said about evolution, so why believe in anything at all?I lean towards the one that stands by logic and evidence.  

What if God created the big bang, evolution and Atlantis? Mind blown. *straightens Lab coat then puts on cross necklace*

The existence or inexistence will never be proven until you die to find out.  

Posted by Blueh

What if God created the big bang, evolution and Atlantis? Mind blown. *straightens Lab coat then puts on cross necklace*

The existence or inexistence will never be proven until you die to find out.

Because the bible explains creation much differently.  

Posted by Mr.$imons

Because the bible explains creation much differently.

I know, I just threw in a "What if?" just to raise inquiries.  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

There's something called freedom of the press here, and Fox News always wants to undermine the government. They report everything from obamas weekly drone attacks to the strangest of conspiracy theories and they are the most popular news network here. I'm pretty sure there isn't widespread censorship. And even if there is censorship somehow, there is also a little thing called the internet.

We have such "freedoms" in Europe too. The reason why Euros like to bring up America (esp in religious threads) is because you guys have a very large % of people who believe in fairytails & angels. It's all over your politics too.

Posted by Blueh

What if God created the big bang, evolution and Atlantis? Mind blown. *straightens Lab coat then puts on cross necklace*

What if Pluffy created the big bang, evolution and Atlantis? Mind blown. *straightens body13.png then puts on pluffy hat*

Posted by Blueh

I also personally don't believe in the big bang theory either. I never fully grasped the concept of how a giant explosion could create something. If you dropped a bomb on a printing press, does it make a book? Yet again, there is no way to prove either. I lean on how there is a God, because of the small probability of things forming themselves. Of all the things you see right now (save for natural objects). Paper, computers, etc. Someone created them, right?

lol @ "personally don't believe". Are you going to say you don't believe in gravity or electricity next because you don't get it? Also laughed and died a bit inside (at the same ) when you compared the big bang with a bomb. LOL.  

I'm just glad God decided to invent the thing that invented Subway to invent the BMT that I'm going to enjoy in about an hour.  

Posted by fp4

I'm just glad God decided to invent the thing that invented Subway to invent the BMT that I'm going to enjoy in about an hour.

all praise subway's steak & cheese

and the subway melt, omnom  

Posted by Crono

lol @ "personally don't believe". Are you going to say you don't believe in gravity or electricity next because you don't get it? Also laughed and died a bit inside (at the same ) when you compared the big bang with a bomb. LOL.

*facepalm* I understand it, I've researched it. My point is I don't believe it's true as MY personal belief, respect that. Gravity and electricity are true because those were proven, the big bang is just a theory. It hasn't been proved or inproved. Same as God, neither proved or inproved. There are evidences that back both up, but to to and say as "it's true" to either, is too far.

And how is the big bang being compared to a bomb a bad example? They both explode. That's like saying comparing a pot and pan is a bad example when the subject is cooking.