Posted by Distorted_P2P

Michigan.

Sorry, can't find any sources that say Depression is qualified for a prescription to medical marijuana in your state.

http://norml.org/legal/item/michigan-medical-marijuana

might be wrong though.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

I agree with some of the **** you say, but honestly dude. Sativa is ****ing horrible for you, DMT, LSD, and partially shrooms are all also terrible...

Acid ain't that bad in my opinion it's like you're high except way more powerful and longer (I couldn't sleep for 12 hours) though taking too much can screw can give you a bad trip which might screw you up mentally.  

Chong sure looks like a bastion of good health, I sure as hell want to look like him when I'm in my 70s. Better start smoking weed now.
http://www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tommy-chong.jpg (Unsupported image host)  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

My friend from school had the same mindset as you, he was very intelligent as well. One day he got offered coke, did it, all I'll say is coke is definitely a gateway drug. You do it once and you're constantly looking for a high that matches it, he's never been the same.



Michigan.

I know my dad is a subjective example, but I figured I'd butt it in as a proper supporting example to the quoted text.

My dad grew up in New Orleans primarily, and moved several times, stimulating his decision to do and deal drugs. After moving to Minnesota, he basically ran an empire in the most active drug region in the state. He's done literally every drug in the book, except for the more recent drugs (past 10 years or so). For the record, if he found out his supply somehow ended up in schools, he would beat the living **** out of the person responsible. Hypocritical, but at the same time suppressive.

In like 2005 he was finally convicted of dealing, and sentenced to 5 years after cutting a deal with the judge. It was going to be 15 years. After that, the only drug he's pretty much been on is pot, and some pain medication prescribed for his shoulder surgery and other incidents. He was voted to be the most likely to return to prison within the first year upon release by the state, but proved them wrong.

He taught me about the addiction side of things, and especially gateway drugs. I know it may not seem like it, but my dad and countless others started with weed. It is a gateway drug. It stimulates the decision to move to harder drugs, however, it still is a decision. Drugs don't push you through the gate, they create the gate. It's your decision to walk through it.

In fact, it's a decision to even smoke in the first place. Some people have a greater tendency to addiction, and it's their responsibility to know/predict how they'll respond.

In essence, any drug is a gateway drug. That is, if you make it one.  

Posted by MrSimons

Chong sure looks like a bastion of good health, I sure as hell want to look like him when I'm in my 70s. Better start smoking weed now.
http://www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tommy-chong.jpg (Unsupported image host)

That's the age when the quality of life starts to deteriorate imo. So I don't give a **** how I look by then.  

Posted by Its_Nanner

I wouldn't mind reading some articles showing proof or valid evidence stating any of the drugs I listed above are bad or can cause health problems . LSD and shrooms specifically(the only 2 psychedelics I've tried) are forsure not bad for your health. I did a hell of a lot of research. DMT and salvia I should do some more research, but I did research on them a bit and I know no bad health affects have been found from DMT.



You can not "handle" DMT. if u take a solid rip of that stuff, you will be off your ass in a matter of 10 seconds for about 5 minutes.

That wasn't really what I meant, sorry if you misunderstood. I meant in terms of interpretation. It's pretty obvious that everyone experiences something different, but some people might have a freaking hard attack if they aren't capable of mentally preparing for the effects.  

I had a friend who had it all together at one point. He was in college going for his bachelor's in teaching and in his Sophomore year he blew it because of his stupidity with weed and weed only. He even admits to it now that he screwed himself over with weed. He was primarily the one keeping himself in college with his good grades and him living in an off-campus apartment. Guess what happens when you can't make money? You're screwed. He lost his job from his job at Guitar Center from walking into the place high. Jobs were hard to come across in the city so he had no money to pay for his food or his car insurance. He didn't have the motivation to stop being an idiot so he just left. Now he's living back home with his parents. There's a real-life scenario from myself.

I got rear-ended at a stop light pretty hard from a guy smoking weed 2 years ago. He's in prison now...

Ever driven behind a stoner? I don't think you'd like to.  

okay I can't believe how many times I've posted in this thread so I'm out

I think I've expressed my points pretty horribly

good day to everyone  

Posted by 5hift

Right, well do whatever you want. I honestly didn't care to begin with.

Just know nothing has "no negative effects". If there was do you think weed would even be illegal to begin with?

Well it's illegal federally, but states are making it legal. Some for medication and a couple for recreational.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/st...reational.html


http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

How can you say that? Because some ****head crashed his car under the influence? Yet there's millions of people who drive a day stoned and don't crash their cars, yet it's insanely likely that under the influence of alcohol you will crash.

I can't believe I have to keep reiterating this, but I don't see anyone here blatantly saying that driving under the influence of Marijuana is good, we're simply stating that it's easier as a positive as opposed to alcohol.

Just because weed isn't as bad as alcohol doesn't mean it's good. It's still bad and you would still be way better off without it. It's extremely unhealthy to depend on something like that, even if you're depressed. It only becomes a crutch and doesn't actually help you in the long run.  

Posted by Coco

Just because weed isn't as bad as alcohol doesn't mean it's good. It's still bad and you would still be way better off without it. It's extremely unhealthy to depend on something like that, even if you're depressed. It only becomes a crutch and doesn't actually help you in the long run.

Exactly. This is why it's illogical to compare it to alcohol in the first place.  

I take back everything I said and put out there that it's all preference and perhaps there are negative side affects that we choose to ignore/deal with. I also apologize to anyone I attacked personally in this debate, it got too heated.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

That's the age when the quality of life starts to deteriorate imo. So I don't give a **** how I look by then.

i dont know man he looks pretty happy.  

Posted by Areo

Let me show you this chart.


Im not saying driving high is OK, but it really isn't all that bad. It is worse than not driving under any influence, yeah, but it isn't nearly as bad as alcohol. Not even close.

click here for the full study.

That's why it shouldn't be compared to alcohol. The comparison creates an unnecessary contrast that makes the weed statistically look good. It's like comparing stealing to murdering. They're both bad, right? However, in context, stealing sounds like a much better option.  

Posted by TWIZ

That's why it shouldn't be compared to alcohol. The comparison creates an unnecessary contrast that makes the weed statistically look good. It's like comparing stealing to murdering. They're both bad, right? However, in context, stealing sounds like a much better option.

That was supposed to be posted somewhere like page 4, where this conversation was relevant. Deleted it, but I'll discuss it anyway.
(As in for whatever reason the post didn't finish sending till I logged on at 8 tonight).

Firstly, I don't argue with anecdotal knowledge, when it can be avoided. But considering your risk only goes up by 0.02 compared to a sober driver, it isn't that bad. Now, admittedly, that study could be flawed in some way, but i haven't found how. Not saying it should be legal though, don't take that the wrong way.

Now, while i am for legalization, I definitely don't agree with a lot of the other pro-legalization contributors of this thread. While the study I posted way earlier in the thread showed no long term lung health impacts from using marijuana, however, you do face impacts from the paper itself, surprisingly. If you use a vaporizer you'll fare a lot better.

That doesn't even mean I would use marijuana, I wouldn't. I don't feel the need/want to. But, considering those who will use weed will use it whether it is illegal or not, why not at least decriminalize it? What do we stand to gain from imprisoning people for possession? Distribution can still be a crime. But overall I think it is not a "yes/no" question, but more of a "when" question.