I noticed the decreased loot prices. You have to wonder how many gralat pack sales they'll get out of things like that. You'll maybe make like a couple hundred gralats fewer off 200 loot sold than you used to, which I don't think will really make anyone want to buy a gralat pack. Especially if they're a player that's actually willing to collect 200 loot; gralat packs are for lazy people.  

Posted by fp4

It's not 'bad' to make counter intuitive changes to the existing framework... but it's nearsighted. The community at large is like a garden. If you know anything about farming, you will understand that growing many small plants in rapid succession only gets you so far, while letting plants go through a longer life cycle and eventually to seed will get you more benefit over time.

Confusing analogy?
If you get a bunch of players to sign up and don't give them something to come back for in the long term, interest in the game will die off over time. If you provide an engaging play experience with breadth and depth and allow for a multitude of heuristics to be applied, players will come back again and again. In fact, players will tell non-players to pick the game up. That's word of mouth advertising. It will happen if you have a good product (hey this game is so cool check it out) or if you have a bad one (I can't believe you still play that crappy skinner box).

Posted by Rusix

PlayStation,PC, Or even mobile ... there is probably a news tab and a update log where they tell you about the games updates and more and why things change.

There is a news tab in iclassic. In fact, it has two points of access, but the menu system is so disjointed you might not be able to find it.  

Posted by Sawyer

because it's underhanded to not tell your community the changes you make

Posted by Rusix

Like Sawyer said, it's mainly just the fact that that it's just a cruddy thing to do. It's also good for your game and so on. Look into any game you play and PlayStation,PC, Or even mobile games. In every one there is probably a news tab and a update log where they tell you about the games updates and more and why things change. There is even a way to view updates on the Android play store in the app description. It's good for the game because they get feedback and can use it to make the game better. Classic obviously doesn't do this because they obviously just want money and don't really care about your opinion of how bad a change screws players over

by playing the game you agree to their rules though...


look at it this way

castle furniture made it easier for people to farm, which was probably not their intention, since I believe it was for player-hosted minigames/mazes. If the gralat spawn rate dropped, then it's to balance it. Doesn't matter if you think it's a balance, or a nerf.

big city or volcano island (idk what it's called anymore), and destiny were added. These areas have a higher spawn rate for looting/diving ¿bubbles?, especially when you don't idle. The amount of loot you can hold was then changed.

bug catching, I'm not an expert, but from what I remember, people were catching a large amount (especially bees from the bushes at Destiny). Then they changed things.

whenever they add new ways to gain money, it's pretty much a testing phase, and players can find methods to gain larger amounts than what toonslab intended. Resulting in these changes. No f2p game is going to warn you about changes like these. Making the same thread over and over, complaining about not being warned isn't going to solve anything
If you don't like it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  

Bees seem extra rare nowadays. Even when I do see a bee after throwing a bush, I simply can't catch it since its frames and overall movement are skipping and lagging. Not worth my time, I bet they lowered the price down to 40g's like every other rare bug.  

Posted by Weeno

And wtf is wrong with that

loses their profit. you know how they make things exclusive and time limited.  

Posted by Zetectic

loses their profit. you know how they make things exclusive and time limited.

It doesn't though... they just think it does.
Refunding uploads or furniture for half price means that player has lost value for nothing in-game. Spend 10k on an upload, then refund it and you're left with 5k, no upload. Seems pretty clear.

Conversely, in a system where the value of a refund is reduced further, fewer people will pay for uploads because of the inability to refund them. This will, in time, lead to fewer packs purchased in order to acquire uploads.

Uploads.  

Posted by Eugeen

Things like these make me wonder if Graal will even last.
The recent bugs that are becoming more common each day are part of why I say this.
It seems like graal would have to be fully reworked to prevent issues like these and I'm not fully sure if that's even worth the effort as they could just make a new game that potentially has a bigger chance of becoming popular and can function better than the current graal does (Graal3D possibly?)

Ofcourse I have no knowledge on what goes on behind the scenes this is just something that came to my mind
This is also not to bash graal or anything since I'd be excited to see something like graal3d happen or the game being reworked in general

Well.... all you have to do is look at the direction pc graal took. You'll have to wait for everyone to be milked dry, refuse to pay, stop playing the game, and for the majority of the community to dissipate before they'll make a last ditch effort to save things (but only after it's past the point of no return).  

Posted by 4-Lom

It doesn't though... they just think it does.
Refunding uploads or furniture for half price means that player has lost value for nothing in-game. Spend 10k on an upload, then refund it and you're left with 5k, no upload. Seems pretty clear.

Conversely, in a system where the value of a refund is reduced further, fewer people will pay for uploads because of the inability to refund them. This will, in time, lead to fewer packs purchased in order to acquire uploads.

Uploads.

??? Dusty spoke from data..
sure they take money, but they could think that they’re losing out on potential profits too  

Honestly with all these changes that are clearly there to milk money from players, I'm surprised they haven't put a thing up saying "Are you there" when looting or baddy killing. Or making gralat drops extremely rare in open world.

(watch as I say This and they will do it to increase profits)  

There's nothing wrong with profit. There's nothing wrong with tweaking systems to make a game more profitable if that's what they're aiming for.


BUT

There's a balance between entertainment value, reward structures, and monetization that needs to be carefully considered, and if this is to be changed, players who are invested in the current structure should be given ample notice so as to not have negative reaction.  

Do not quote me. I am no longer part of this discussion

Posted by Garutias

Agreed,

Graal is certainly on a downwards slope.
It’s basically stole the 1990’s Zelda Graphics and it’s purpose is to make the last money that can be from kids buying iTunes all the updates primarily want to make the game more addictive, not help players like you. So what’s cares if they notify you lol

The reason why the servers population on iClassic is so low is because of the new apps that are innovative.

Classic is literally stuck in a time loop in the early 2000’s.

Graal Classic or PC Graal the Adventure is not a Zelda Knock off. The real people who actually contribute to the real thing that still exists Graal the Adventure take that as an insult. Graal is more than just some cheap zelda knock off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=TNRzsNvrXbE
Read the comments for that

Posted by Meteor

gralat packs are for lazy people.

Not Entirely. I'm only a paid player because I support the development of the game, Which seems to have stopped. So In turn, I'm not a paid player any longer until I see a drastic addition that doesn't take Volunteer Staff YEARS.